"Sola Scriptura inevitably results in countless contradicting theologies."

HGL's F.B. writings : A Shorty from a Long Debate : on Innocent III as a pretended "mass murderer of Christians" · Albigensians and Innocent III - Which was the Christian Side? · "Sola Scriptura inevitably results in countless contradicting theologies." · Someone admired Kent Hovind without my reservations · Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere : Kent Hovind's Errors on Anti-Catholicism and Heliocentrism

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Sola Scriptura inevitably results in countless contradicting theologies. So sad Kent Hovind's fanbase thinks Jesus wanted His disciples to split off into contradicting churches. Such heresy.
John 17:21

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

JC not JC - how can you be sure Kent Hovind's fan base includes no Catholics or Orthodox?

It includes (on his core issue for his public speaking and writing on internet) at least this Catholic writing this.

JC not JC

Kent Hovind worked with Jack Chick. If a Catholic or Orthodox likes Kent on his YEC work, I'd advise against that. Kent Hovind uses old and long debunked arguments. Answers in Genesis, ICR, and CMI have largely abandoned the arguments from Kent's era.

Michel Snoeck

Any "fan base" is entirely worthless... As in regard to Kent Hovind's materials logic has been applied to them. I find that for example evolutionists habitually theorize 'evidence' as they theorize 'debunking' something.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

It is in fact true that some arguments or theoretic solutions by Kent Hovind (notably water canopy) are no longer in use on AiG, CMI and ICR.

In two cases, I am actually backing up Kent's position in more detail.

• 1) Carbon 14 content in atmosphere rose (in relation to carbon 12) meaning was less earlier, which leads to inflated dates.
  
  Some are now preferring Setterfield, variations in speed of light, leading to variations in decay rate.
  
  I still support this and add tables over how it would work out (for instance, Abraham and early Dynastic Egypt was c. 2000 BC, but carbon dates are to sth like 3200 BC for Genesis 14 times - this also explains why Ebla tablets dated to 2400 BC are NOT mentioning Sodom and Gomorrha as live cities, those tablets are after the time of Joseph in Egypt). Also, for much of the carbon 14 rise, carbon 14 was produced quicker than now, up to 11 times and a bit more quicker.
  
  
• 2) There is no geologic column outside the text books.
  
  Untrue if we go to lithology, but accurate enough as to vertebrate palaeontology.
  
  I have checked in detail - and am getting rejection over this from ICR, CMI and AiG.

Michel Snoeck

Something one should never do is following what some entities support or get rid of what they abandoned. The matter of understanding is not privileged to followers, only to individuals. 🤔

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Michel Snoeck In that case, you might like to take a look on my work, done as an individual?

Here is the blog:

http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com

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correct a spelling mistake in this last one, after it was correctly published. Here is what happened:



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And it seems that was censored, see what happens if I try to click "voir plus de réponses" ("see more answers"):



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still under JC not JC's status.

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JC not JC It doesn't sound like you even know Jesus.

What you call splitting off, We call the great commission.

Acts 1: 8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judæa, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

What you call contradicting we call freedom

romans 14:3 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother’s way.

What you call unity we call the antichrist

Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. "

Revelation 13:2 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

SL

He may not realize that he is supposed to be "Christ Centered" and not "Church Centered". Some Catholics believe the Church is actually the Incarnation of Christ here on Earth.

MSi

SL which means that they believe in church and not in Christ. I once interviewed and atheist who was raised catholic. He was spouting off all the usual atheist propaganda. So I decided to do something different I knocked the then Pope Benedict for being a member of the hitler youth. He instantly snapped at me and said he was a "holy man". Why did it matter to him? Because he was a catholic atheist! He figures he can be godless and have nuns pray him to heaven. but if the sacraments don't work he is screwed!

That my friend is why all these catholics are arguing on a page about creation science. because they have to stop playing atheist and convert if Catholicism is wrong!

SL

Most of the anti-christian people I know were brought up Roman Catholic. When you try to share Christianity with them they say they already know all about it, then they start spewing misrepresentations of what the Scriptures says. They have no clue of what we actually believe.

HGL

To both of you:

"What you call splitting off, We call the great commission."

Sorry, but Catholics and Orthodox would agree that the great commission was under years up to 1000 AD and beyond carried out by a Church which Catholics identify as Catholic and Orthodox as Orthodox.

We just disagree about exactly how it looked on certain details and therefore who of us is carrying on after 1053.

So, St. Gregory of Rome is honoured by Catholics as St. Gregory the Great and by Orthodox as St. Gregory the Dialogist. He sent to the English invaders and invader descendants and invader assimilated in Britain a man called St. Augustine of Canterbury.

Venerated in:

• Anglicanism
• Catholic Church
• Eastern Orthodox Church

Augustine of Canterbury - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustine_of_Canterbury

Similarily St. Ansgar who briefly visited my own Sweden and was a more permanent missionary in North Germany is claimed by both Catholics and Orthodox:

Venerated in:

• Eastern Orthodox Church,
• Roman Catholicism,
• Lutheran Church,
• Anglican Communion

Ansgar - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ansgar

Now, bringing the Gospel to the Heathen sounds as the most basic obedience to the Great Commision that I can think of.

And it was not made by Southern Baptist dividing from northern Baptists ... except they were kind of trying to emulate Ansgar and Ausgustine.

"The word Southern in Southern Baptist Convention stems from it having been organized in 1845 at Augusta, Georgia, by Baptists in the Southern United States who split with northern Baptists over the issue of slavery, specifically whether Southern slave owners could serve as missionaries. After the American Civil War, another split occurred when most freedmen set up independent black congregations, regional associations, and state and national conventions, such as the National Baptist Convention, which became the second-largest Baptist convention by the end of the 19th century. Others joined new African-American denominations, chiefly the African Methodist Episcopal Church, which was established in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania in the early 19th century, as the first independent black denomination in the United States."

Southern Baptist Convention - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_Baptist_Convention

Now, Ansgar made North Germany, Denmark, Sweden a territory open to missionaries and then Christian. Ausgustine and some more after him converted the English. But as you spoke of "the Great Commission" - what nations were converted by either northern Baptists or Southern Baptists?

"What you call contradicting we call freedom"

Oh, why are you not giving us freedom to Seven Sacraments or to Mass as a Sacrifice, then?

"What you call unity we call the antichrist"

Sorry, but Catholic or Orthodox unity is going the wrong way for this to work out. Antichrist is getting 3 and a half years at the very end.

He'll possibly pretend to restore unity for Catholics or for Orthodox or even more for both.

By the way, JC not JC, this is the reason I prefer Matthew 28 over John 17 as a prooftext against Protestantism.

"He may not realize that he is supposed to be "Christ Centered" and not "Church Centered"."

In fact, both.

"Some Catholics believe the Church is actually the Incarnation of Christ here on Earth."

The mystical body.

"I knocked the then Pope Benedict for being a member of the hitler youth. He instantly snapped at me and said he was a "holy man". Why did it matter to him? Because he was a catholic atheist!"

You are aware that the first Atheists were Protestant Atheists, in the modern movement of Western Atheism? You are aware Cuvier and Lyell were both Protestants?

"That my friend is why all these catholics are arguing on a page about creation science. because they have to stop playing atheist and convert if Catholicism is wrong!"

Sorry, but an Evolutionist is not very Catholic in being so. Some are defrauded by fake shepherds (Wojtyla and Ratzinger acting "Popes John Paul II and Cardinal Ratzinger and later Benedict XVI" in 1992-94).

"Most of the anti-christian people I know were brought up Roman Catholic."

Perhaps the anti-christian people who were brought up Evangelical are avoiding you?