jeudi 21 février 2013

Guns, Homeless, Shelters, My Own Situation

Series about my FB enemies: 1) Gossip About Cyber, 2) Gríma Wormtongue has his like in real life - at least as far as his choice of viewpoint is concerned, 3) My Innocence About the Vice of Curiosity, 4) Heated Discussion on Historical Backgrounds for Schism of 1054, 5) Misquoters and Conclusion Jumpers!, 6) Guns, Homeless, Shelters, My Own Situation, 7) On Pat's Wall, by me, 8) In case someone not my FB friend even past wonders, Pat whom I unfriended is not Buchanan, 9) Answering Psychiatry Friendly Comments by one GP (friend of a friend), 10) GP tries it again - after attacking Alveda King, 11) Unfriending someone who is friends with people considering homeless mentally ill

Pat
He's right.

However, he's wrong when he says, "if there's ever a problem, just walk out on the balcony ... take that double-barrel shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house."

No, fire blasts into the intruder.
il y a 23 heures
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Drake
I think the term 'self-defense' can be misunderstood. It is really defense of family and community
il y a 22 heures
Hans-Georg Lundahl = HGL = me
How do you count a homeless person either asleep in a sleeping bag outside your flat (or, if you have a house: under your garage roof or veranda) to avoid the cold for the night? Or, if not asleep saying politely as possible: "just one night here please?"

I can tell you one morning I had slept outside a field, I woke up with two barrels before my eyes. When I had explained the situation, I was invited for breakfast, and it was delicious.
il y a 22 heures
Drake
France sins in that. Taking shelter differs from invasion
il y a 22 heures
HGL
Thank God you agree. Now, I can tell you that France is not as bad as you may have had a first impression of when reading that, I have had plenty of breakfasts or suppers under better shelter without any sight of gunbarrels. Plenty. Lately some have gotten to the idea I should "be taught manners" and have started waking me up an hour or two after midnight to make me go and search another shelter. I find that annoying and last two times I was so asked, I did not comply. Someone saw better sense after all.
il y a 22 heures
Drake
Is that the assumption? That rural Americans want guns to hunt the poor? God forbid. It is to defend the weak from the greedy and rapacious.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
No, no. It was in France all this happened. And only one occasion was at field limit and waking up under a farmer's gunbarrels. But that farmer did like to hear my explanation and invite me after seeing I was not too afraid. A bit of Farmer Maggot in him. My own assumption is totally in favour of US Gun Ownership.
il y a 22 heures
Drake
I know what it is like to sleep under bridges too. If we were a truly Christian society we would still have almshouses and bedesmen.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
There are almshouses, if you like. They are a bit overran in my taste by such people as do not like me. Imagine how you would be received among Gipsies and Arabs if someone had presented you as a mad Nazi to them behind your back. Since whatever put them off me was mainly behind my back, I cannot tell if that is what they were told, but they reacted as if told something to that effect.
il y a 22 heures
Corinne
Firing shots into the intruder doesn't necessarily mean killing them. Blast them in the legs & arms; they'll get the idea.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
Corinne - for public buildings, I was given that precise order as a military: first a "halt", then a shot in the air, then a shot in the leg. I did it at Stockholm castle. Oh, and of course, escalation stops the very moment that the man complies.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
I distinguish between day shelters and night shelters. Day shelters used to be all right for breakfasts and showers. Night shelters are a bit less ideal for sleeping, although the meals are quite all right.

Sorry, I was under the impression that almshouses were the kind of things they called dépôts de mendicité which were introduced the year the Jesuits were expelled. Not quite same thing.
il y a 22 heures
Pat
Heer Lundahl, having volunteered at the shelter (run by the Church) here in Atlanta, you would be more than welcome, plus, it hasn't been infested with Mohammedans and Gypsies, so you would be quite comfortable.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
It would be very nice for the meal no doubt. For the night I am less sure of not being waken up by either someone snoring or waking me up for snoring or waking someone else up for snoring and waking me up in the process. If you have been at a night shelter, have you noticed how many have already drunk before arriving? It is because it is not easy to sleep in a dormitory with strangers unless you: 1) drink, 2) smoke pot, 3) take sleeping pills ...

Plus there has been my being caught between two fires, the ones hoping for me to get an ordinary job, the others for me to live out the life of St Joseph Benedict Labre (I had mentioned his life as an example when challenged to get the usual social workers calls in Trier when trying to get to one girl in Paris, but not as an exemple I was integrally following, just as an example that begging is no sin), and neither side getting into the printers business for my essays or the musicians' business for my compositions.
il y a 22 heures
Pat
Heer Lundahl, at the shelter here coming in drunk, or otherwise inebriated, is not allowed. It is relatively quiet, and the men get a good night's sleep. Of course, not just anyone is allowed inside, so that is the difference. All of the men are part of a program, run in cooperation with the Church.
il y a 22 heures
HGL
Ah, ok. First problem I would not sign up for the program, since I have another schedual. In Berlin there was a decent place like that, fifty cents per night, you could incur one night's debt but not pay in advance, and first two weeks were without any program. It was not far from Israeli embassy. There also there were only twelve places, and one took turns to help cooking and to help cleaning up.
il y a 21 heures
Pat
The program isn't overbearing, only to make sure the men are in good health, and stay out of trouble.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Oh, what is it?
il y a 21 heures
Pat
What do you mean?
il y a 21 heures
HGL
What is the program?
il y a 21 heures
Pat
This is them:

Central Outreach & Advocacy Center
http://www.centraloutreachandadvocacy.org
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Pat - I noted the page:

Central Outreach&Advocacy Center - Outreach
http://www.centraloutreachandadvocacy.org/mainframe.html

Now, that is exactly what I would avoid as, precisely already said, having my own schedual. Of course, I cannot insist on them taking me if I do not comply with that program, but they cannot insist it is wrong for me in such a case to forego their services. I use libraries to write. I used to compose. There are people getting paid for that, and some of them who do it are also doing some good, which I hope is my case. So, why should I "get a job" or show willingness to search it? If they do not take me, they do not. Fine with me as long as they do not start judging me or arranging for others to receive me less well than before.
il y a 21 heures
Pat
There's no requirement to get a job.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Pat - did you read the page? Main frame is a program which does not require you to achieve getting a job, but wants you to do things that kind of symbolise one is keeping trying.

"The Main Frame offers ten four-week courses each year. Participants attend classes Monday through Friday from 9:00am to 12:30pm for the duration of the course. During that time, they receive instruction in job search skills, employment retention skills and life skills that will improve their housing stability once employed."


Of course, their emergency outreach does not require this, but for how long? One night?

Oh, ten courses each year means ... 40 weeks out of 52. Meaning a week or two without attending it would at least be feasible. But I do dread that certain of the job seeking skills and other life skills taught there are about getting along with bosses - even if one is by both talent and personal disgust for such an arrangement better suited to live without having a boss.
il y a 21 heures
Pat
Heer Lundahl, don't believe everything you read. None of that is compulsory.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Pat - yes, that is a good thing, then.

However, it is in the States, and a homeless shelter there won't shelter me here nor there either unless I get there. What could be done either here or there is - start printing my articles, start playing my compositions. And here it is blocked, and among certain people over there it is blocked too. Why? Probably because SSPX priests in US listen to SSPX priests in France who listen to SSPX laymen at St Nicolas du Chardonnet who go to a bar called Le Palais owned by Arabs, who listen to other Arabs ... Oh, I am actually not sure whether owners of Le Palais are Arabs or Berber/Kabyls.
il y a 21 heures
Drake
Maiming is considered cruel and unusual punishment.

Hans-Georg, it seems over here that most social work is tainted by a preachy Yankee schoolmarm Puritanism. Poor falsely assumes also lack of intelligence, cleanliness, morals, sanity or civilisation - Weber's Protestant Work Ethic. Criminals are treated better - ironically by those who claim to carry the banner of the poor.

I don't know if the connection between alcohol and extreme violence is a norm outside the US. I was reading a late 19th c. article by a Mississippi journalist who noted the increase in alcohol related violence only after the defeat - Saying that he blamed it on possibly tainted whiskey from Cincinnati. ;-)
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Now, extreme consumtion of alcohol and extreme violence can have some connexion. One reason I prefer staircases and porches where I each night have a theoretical chance of sleeping without having drunk. Ordinary consumption of alcohol and extreme violence would seem to be unrelated. Drake - as a distiller's grandson, I find it very ill to taint whiskey.
il y a 21 heures
Drake
Well, his argument was that the new violence was due to loss of local production and speculated that the Yankees were adding some ingredient that inflamed men. It didn't seem to occur to him that the ingredient was loss and humiliation.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
That can bring both over much quantities of drinking and over much anger, and in combination or each buy itsel they can raise violence.
il y a 21 heures
Drake
A man in sorrow needs some wine I think.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
That is quite true, Drake. I am not exactly in sorrow but in continual frustration. Here is my situation for these last weeks:

Triviu, Quadriviu, 7 cætera: Open Questions to Rick Ross Center
http://triv7quadriv.blogspot.com/2013/02/open-questions-to-rick-ross-center.html

First entry resumes the attitude of St Nicolas over past years too.
il y a 21 heures
Drake
The ecclesiastical rumour mill is a great cause of mischief.
il y a 21 heures
HGL
Ah yes, it is.

As a blogger, I at least try usually to identify my sources, if other than me, and when writing on a blog by me alone, I am an identified source (to anyone not stupid enough to mix my articles as such with quotes within them or my blogs with other blogs, not my own, that I link to).

Pat, look at this:

May 15, 2012 - May I Bring You Anything?
http://centraloutreach.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/may-15-2012/
il y a 21 heures
Pat
Yes, and?
il y a 21 heures
HGL
So many volunteers have received the url of x number of my blogs, x number of times. Have I got intelligent comments? No. Have I got anyone printing my essays? No. Why? Because they felt "how sweet he's trying to give something in return" - precisely as the writer of that post - and not touched it. That is what has kept me homeless for years. Secours Catholique could have rocket started my carreer as composer, by accepting my offer they could play some of my compositions on their next welfare concert. OK, they are not rock, but some would resemble rock ballads.

And that was back in Aix, between 2006 and 2009.

Well, if she or he had taken the sub, I would have felt more confident the volunteer, behind the inequality of volunteer and aid receiver still felt the equality of men as images of God.

Now, if my offer had been received, I would not have had a penny from that concert, but I would have been known. And I would have been able to pay a dentist in time to save a few more of my teeth.

musicalia: Sonatine V pour Guitarre
http://hglundahlsmusik.blogspot.fr/2008/11/sonatine-v-pour-guitarre.html

musicalia: Sonatine VI pour Guitarre
http://hglundahlsmusik.blogspot.fr/2008/11/sonatine-pour-guitarre-vi.html

Both from 2007

My latest so far:

musicalia: Mediæval Modal Jingle for Ukulele
http://hglundahlsmusik.blogspot.fr/2012/10/medival-modal-jingle-for-ukulele.html

Not had much inspiration these last months ...
il y a 21 - 19 heures
HGL
It suddenly went very silent on this thread ... how come?
il y a 3 heures
HGL
It is not like "a homeless who wants more confort is OK, but a homeless who wants to get off the street as an author and composer is just too much" - or is it? If so, I would like to know ...
il y a 2 heures


And it is not as if Pat - as I chose to call him to anyonymise him here (but not to where he is volunteering, they will know whom I mean) - had not been on FB since back when we had this debate. On the contrary, he has made quite a few status updates since then.

Nearly looks as if he wanted to hide what I had written. Maybe there is something to the last comment I made?

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Chaptal Library
in Paris FR
[St Peter Damian]*
St Paterius
21-II-2013

*Day after tomorrow in Traditional Calendar!
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4 commentaires:

  1. HGL21 février 2013 à 23:58

    Drake informed me of this:

    I think they quit posting as I was done waiting on the mechanic. I had time to participate because I was sitting in temporal purgatory: a waiting room.

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  2. Hans Georg Lundahl23 février 2013 à 04:16

    1) Three nights after this debate:

    i) a staircase top floor not used because there is an elevator, in a suburb, my host: a young man, probably French and nothing else,

    ii) a staircase top floor or close to, used, I had to move a bit early in the morning or late at night, as the wife came home - whose man had let me stay there for one night: he listened to a radio programme with Marine LePen,

    iii) first had to move on because a girl would not let me inside and porch was too close to a noisy street, then to another porch, where I was let in by two people, and then told to leave when I was already in my sleeping bag. One of the two who had let me in was a Muslim. He suggested I should use the 115 number to get a night at a dorm - meaning he did not know about my problem with dorms. The guy who told me to get out was not Arabic looking. When I asked if he was a Christian, he said "most definitely not". When going through the porch I noticed a second Jewish name (I had already noticed Cohen), namely Fajgenbaum (German or Yiddish words, but a German would hardly spell first syllable as "faj", since that is Polish spelling).

    I have had people making allusions to "a wandering through the desert" and a "parcours initiatique". If Jews want to "reeducate" me, it should be noted I am no Jew and do not identify as a Jew. I am Swedish and Catholic.

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  3. Hans Georg Lundahl23 février 2013 à 04:23

    2) Muslims around last night:

    i) a lady on the train who gave me brioche and two donuts and a restaurant ticket - she looked worried about me (as if she knew I was writing and thought it was especially against her religion) - I gave the restaurant ticket away to someone else,

    ii) a man who sold me a cap for 4€30, after first wanting 5, which was another than the one I first wanted, and a bit too small,

    iii) the man who had let me in and asked me why I did not use 115,

    iv) the other users at Bibliothèque d'Italie: when I came my computer was free till 14:00, when they had seen me soon the computer was reserved for 10:30.

    A bit confirmaing me suspicion about the lady who looked worried, as if they did not appreciate my writing on internet or making known my writings.

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  4. Hans Georg Lundahl23 février 2013 à 07:51

    Q: When did Baba Batra live and what was her activity? A: I don't know.

    I suspect Justinas Pranaitis answered "I don't know" to save a Jewish life. And I suspect he made or accepted an equivocation about "not knowing". A tractate usually "was not alive" at a certain time and did not "have an activity" as a person does. Or maybe he felt that the proper pronunciation of the Hebrew was "Bava" ... Because I also suspect he was of Jewish origin and wrote his antisemitic tract in order to save Jews from committing grave sins.

    But in another sense, "still alive and kicking" and "distorting the law".

    I had occasion to look it up. And I found:

    "ten chapters ... (1) Regulations relating to property held by more than one owner (ch. i.); (2) responsibilities of an owner of property with regard to that of his neighbor (ch. ii.) ... 2. The fundamental rule about neighboring property is that the owner of the adjoining property must avoid everything that might prove a nuisance to the neighbor, or become a source of injury to the neighbor's property. "The noise of a smith's hammer, of a mill, or of children in school, is not to be considered a nuisance" (ii. 3). Disputes as regards to injury or nuisance are generally settled by the fact of prior or established rights."

    Now, the three bava's are part of Nezikin or Neziqin, meaning Damages.

    Now, is it a greater damage for the people of that house to have me there one night and maybe sleep a little worse for my noise when turning in the sleep or talking to someone asking what I do there or getting to the courtyard to find a hole where I can urinate and turn on the tap after (or in other cases use a flower pot for that night) - or is it a greater damage for me to sleep night after night among people who do not like me, and who arrive late (as I would have to if I found another house very late), and who keep me awake by their breathing and snoring in the same room, and who have as much troubles as I or more, and who go to the toilet one after another?

    The Christian morality has accepted the principle or morality behind the law of gleaning fields at the edges, which can be seen applied in the book of Ruth. If I ask for "only one night" - I consider myself as "gleaning the edges". Exactly as when I pick fruit for a meal for me on the branches of a fig tree in summer.

    If some consider the sight of a beggar as disturbing as it is for me to get too little to wash my clothes, for days or even a week on a row, I think their distorted view of morality deserves little consideration, rich as they may be. Haman comes to mind ...

    But since I had quite another way ready, and still have it ready, for me to get money from writing and composing (and I suppose they use some passage of some of the bava's to forbid my way!) it is also a question of what is said in the stabunt justi: ... those that have afflicted them, and taken away their labours. / ...qui se angustaverunt et qui abstulerunt labores illorum.

    If I were so little known as to be reasonably suspect of stealing bikes, I might have seen a point. I seem to be sufficiently known for people to give me lessons about - in essence - Bava Batra or something like that.

    What I hate about my life is Christians agreeing with these Jews and forgetting the Christian Charity. Or even justice.

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