New blog on the kid: What is Jeremias 31:34 affirming? · HGL's F.B. writings: Fake Patristics
- Mikael Rosén
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- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- "Indeed it is better to keep quite about our beliefs, and live them out, than to talk eloquently about what we believe, but fail to live by it." ???
Couldn't find even "talk eloquently" in his letters online. Including the spurious ones.
Also (as much) from St. Ignatius:
"Beware of fake Patristics quotes on the internet" ...
To me, the idea sounds very much like what the KGB would make the Patriarchate of Moscow regurgitate and then blame the Church Fathers for it, like, also, denial of Young Earth Creationism or the idea of taking Genesis as allegorically only.
Above was after an F-search in his epistles.
I double checked. Google searched, found a longer quote about tree and fruit and F-searched "fruit" instead. It actually could well count as a summary or excerpt of this passage in his Epistle to the Ephesians, especially if from a different translation:
Chapter 14. Exhortations to faith and love
None of these things is hid from you, if you perfectly possess that faith and love towards Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 1:14 which are the beginning and the end of life. For the beginning is faith, and the end is love. 1 Timothy 1:5 Now these two, being inseparably connected together, are of God, while all other things which are requisite for a holy life follow after them. No man [truly] making a profession of faith sins; 1 John 3:7 nor does he that possesses love hate any one. The tree is made manifest by its fruit; Matthew 12:33 so those that profess themselves to be Christians shall be recognised by their conduct. For there is not now a demand for mere profession, but that a man be found continuing in the power of faith to the end.
Chapter 15. Exhortation to confess Christ by silence as well as speech
It is better for a man to be silent and be [a Christian], than to talk and not to be one. It is good to teach, if he who speaks also acts. There is then one Teacher, who spoke and it was done; while even those things which He did in silence are worthy of the Father. He who possesses the word of Jesus, is truly able to hear even His very silence, that he may be perfect, and may both act as he speaks, and be recognised by his silence. There is nothing which is hid from God, but our very secrets are near to Him. Let us therefore do all things as those who have Him dwelling in us, that we may be His temples, 1 Corinthians 6:19 and He may be in us as our God, which indeed He is, and will manifest Himself before our faces. Wherefore we justly love Him.
The very next chapters speak of false teachers, defined as people who destroy families, and of false doctrine.
I added a new comment:
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Actually, this is not totally off.
Here is the source:
The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0104.htm
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