Baptists Considering RCC Guilty of Lincoln Assassination and of being Harlot - Answered

KA

27 novembre, 12:20

Why weren't they tied before well the official government investigation into the Lincoln assassination that the pope had him killed and when we broke off relations with the Vatican you should have returned the fire.

U.S. AND VATICAN RESTORE FULL TIES AFTER 117 YEARS
By Steven R. Weisman, Special To the New York Times Jan. 11, 1984
https://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/11/world/us-and-vatican-restore-full-ties-after-117-years.html

TDG

Under Reagan :-(

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

"the official government investigation into the Lincoln assassination that the pope had him killed"

What official investigation?

Matt SIngleton

John Wilkes booth's "Team" were all parts of the "Surrat school" A Jesuit institution in D.C.

Conspirators used an escape route went to Canada and then said to Italy on their way to the Vatican. They were arrested by the Italian police.

Their was a large investigation of Lincoln's assassination.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

The best you can do is, Mary Surratt was a Catholic and she was hanged as part of the conspiracy.

I'm not sure about the exact numbers of Catholics in 1865 (when I converted in 1988 it was about 1 billion, half of all Christians), but it would have been a bit too unwieldy for Pope Pius IX to have directed all Catholics in all their doings.

As the farm of her late husband had had a fire through a runaway slave, back in 1851, she may have had lots of motives for supporting the Dixie side other than religious conviction.

And, here is the clou, the "Italian police" who arrested John Surrat Jr was in fact *Pontifical* Police:

// Surratt would later serve for a time in the Ninth Company of the Pontifical Zouaves, in the Papal States, under the name John Watson.[4][5]

An old friend, Henri Beaumont de Sainte-Marie, recognized Surratt and notified papal officials and the US minister in Rome, Rufus King.[6]

On November 7, 1866, Surratt was arrested and sent to the Velletri prison. He escaped and lived with the supporters of Garibaldi, who gave him safe passage. Surratt traveled to the Kingdom of Italy and posed as a Canadian citizen named Walters. He booked passage to Alexandria, Egypt, but was arrested there by US officials on November 23, 1866, still in his Pontifical Zouaves uniform.[7] He returned to the US on the USS Swatara to the Washington Navy Yard in early 1867. //

John Surratt - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Surratt

That Pionono had diplomatically recognised the Confederacy doesn't mean he was a friend of cutthroat methods post-bellum.

KA

From what I read it appeared the Vatican guard let him get away. Apparently the Pope was on the side of the confederacy. To the extent that when the Irish in the northern army found out they left, deserted en masse

Matt SIngleton

KA It is said that "The Knights of the golden circle" were conspiring with Hispanic slaveholding catholic nations mexico, cuba etc. to form a slave holding alliance. The south originally desired to make the Midwest territories like Kansas major agricultural centers.

Just like WWII the Jesuits were hedging their bets on both sides. They probably preferred if the nation would have collapsed entirely being of protestant origins.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Apparently the Pope was on the side of the confederacy."

While it lasted. When John Surratt came over, it was already finished.

"From what I read it appeared the Vatican guard let him get away."

He was a Vatican guard, a Papal Zouave, under a false name.

He was still arrested by police in the Papal States. And extradicted by it to US.

@ Matt SIngleton "Hispanic slaveholding catholic nations mexico, cuba etc."

Mexico was not a slave holding nation, Cuba was a rarity among Hispanic states in that respect.

The slaves in Texas were introduced with slave holding Calvinist settlers, in defiance of the agreement with Mexican president and Texas secceeded from Mexico partly over wanting to keep its slaves.

"Just like WWII the Jesuits were hedging their bets on both sides."

The Pope during the War recognised both US and Confederacy, with state limits as their frontier. This doesn't mean all Catholics were required to agree with this political statement.

"They probably preferred if the nation would have collapsed entirely being of protestant origins."

That is not how Catholicism (including Inquisition) deals with Heretical Roots Populations.

It is only heresies spreading within Catholic populations that were targetted. And for people born in Anabaptist sects, the Inquisition disclaimed jurisdiction, since not recognising the baptisms not intending to cause but only to testify regeneration.

An unbaptised fake "believer baptised" pagan is as much outside Inquisition's jurisdiction as an unbaptised Jew.

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ME

Do we need close ties,with the whore of Revelation? And the ultra socialist /jesuit pope? The one square mile,not a nation state, but a ponsy scheme.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"not a nation state,"

So?

"but a ponsy scheme."

Would you mind being precise as to what unites the Vatican with the schemes of Charles Ponzi?

"Do we need close ties,with the whore of Revelation?"

Well, how do you identify it?

KA

"By comparing Scriptude with scripture".

CHurch/states have not been the lover of liberty or the gospel.

ME

Not with him personally, but they do accrue wealth to the top of their pyramid, from some of the poorest people on earth, and live like royalty. The Catholic church, after 75 years of my family giving more than the 10% tithe called for in the old testament, couldnt get any help at all when my homicide detective father died on the job at 40 years old, not even a loan for food money for 10 days, until mom got his death benefit insurance. Yey 2 weeks later, they knocked on our door for block collection and expected the usual $50 my parents gave at least twice a year. Same priest that threw my mother out of the rectory , empty handed, wanted money to "help the parishes needy. " That my friend is The definitiin of a ponsey scheme. Take it for what it is!!,

revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel are good places,to start. Btw, when GOD speaks of whores/harlots in prophecy ,it is dealing with idolatrous religious practices.

And the folk lore and unbiblical tenets of catholicism fit that descriptiin in so many ways. I can enumerate many of them from off the top of my head, if you'd like

Hans-Georg Lundahl

What about revelation and Isaiah?

Isaiah told Israelites in advance to get out of a Babylon that had been in power for less than one century, when they got out.

Apocalypse very closely echoes the words of Isaiah and Jeremiah, and that means the end times whore needs to have been in power for only as much.

Any power (if itself) that has been around for most of 2000 years cannot be the harlot.

"folk lore" - as in OT Judaism and Primitive Christianity didn't have any?

"unbiblical tenets" - tenets not directly in the Bible (on your assessment after looking briefly) or tenets you suppose contradict it?

KA

Harlots have been around a long time . Babylon is mother of them.around before them

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Neo-Babylonic Empire had been around for 90 years and been keeping Jews captive for 70 years when Isaiah's and Jeremiah's proto-"get out of her" was applicable.

While many harlots have been around, they have usually not been longlived (goes for the literal ones you cross in the street too, they don't have the longest lifespans usually).

KA

Ah I get ya now. You are looking at this from the standpoint of amillenialism. That tribulation is past. That leaves about 1/4 of the Bible out of context or without its matchmeet. Nothing personal.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

No, I am counting "Church Age" = "Millennium".

Satan was bound on Good Friday. He's being released now.

Apocalypse 19 with prequels are a parallel to last verses in Apocalypse 20 which gives a broad panorama, like Genesis 1 gives a broad panorama and its ending verses have a parallel in Genesis 2.

The point is and remains : neither Antichrist nor Harlot will have a continuous long rule over many generations.

Apocalypse 18:[2] And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen; and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every unclean spirit, and the hold of every unclean and hateful bird: [3] Because all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication; and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her; and the merchants of the earth have been made rich by the power of her delicacies. [4] And I heard another voice from heaven, saying: Go out from her, my people; that you be not partakers of her sins, and that you receive not of her plagues.

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Jeremiah 51:[44] And I will visit against Bel in Babylon, and I will bring forth out of his mouth that which he had swallowed down: and the nations shall no more flow together to him, for the wall also of Babylon shall fall. [45] Go out of the midst of her, my people: that every man may save his life from the fierce wrath of the Lord.

Babylon had not been ruling long in the day of when Babylon was taken by Cyrus, and end times harlot will not have been ruling long when she falls.