Shorty with William P. Lazarus on Geocentrism

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

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22 janvier
Robert Sungenis has just released a book on geocentrism which is suitable for homeschooling:

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Geocentrism for Dumskies and Smart Kids, Vol. 1, The Science
http://flatearthflatwrong.com/product/geocentrism-for-dumskies-and-smart-kids-vol-1-the-science/

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Creation vs. Evolution : Robert Sungenis Published a Book
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William P. Lazarus

For smart kids? Good heavens, someone would have to be a complete idiot to deny centuries of scientific research, not to mention the studies by astronauts in space.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Part 2 will deal with the centuries of scientific research along with censorships by the Church.

As for studies by astronauts in space, what would on your view differ "if Geocentrism were true"?

William P. Lazarus

What if it isn't? After all, to be true, every bit of scientific study of space would have to be wrong. I go with actual study over belief every time.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"every bit of scientific study of space would have to be wrong."

Name one.*

"I go with actual study over belief every time."

Nice rhetoric as long as you refuse to specify.

William P. Lazarus

I'll restrain myself: I went to our local library and found five new books on astronomy which calmly and rationally explain our place in the universe -- on the outer arm of a small galaxy. Ignorance is inexcusable. Ignorance on behalf of religious belief is a crime against intelligence. Try* A Skeptic's Guide to the Universe, which is just one of a myriad of books for anyone who actually wants to learn what generations of humans already know.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I am not ignorant of that doctrine.

Explanation and proof are two distinct things, and proofs you did not give.

Added next day

Perhaps your education in journalism never taught you the difference between logic and rhetoric?

Update

after I posted link to as yet above (and the footnote below) on his wall.

William P. Lazarus

One final note: the Earth orbits the sun, unless you deny that, too. That makes the sun the center. Except the entire galaxy is orbiting a black hole, as all galaxies seem to, which makes the black hole the center. Except that our galaxy, like all galaxies, is moving, which puts something else in the center. Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of anything more than 400 years ago. Do you honestly think that astronomers and scientists have spent centuries deliberately misleading people? Enough of this silliness.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Galileo showed that the Earth was not the center of anything more than 400 years ago."

How did he do that?

(Btw, even on your and his theory, Earth is centre of Moon, or, if you prefer, Earth-Moon system has a centre closer to centre of Earth so mch that one can just as well say Earth is its centre).

"the Earth orbits the sun, unless you deny that, too."

Both I and the book I promoted both deny it and refute it.

The best I can say for Heliocentrism is "not proven".

"Do you honestly think that astronomers and scientists have spent centuries deliberately misleading people?"

Who said "deliberately"? Does their presumed goodwill guarantee them to be right?

"Enough of this silliness. / One final note:"

This will obviously be included in an update.

William P. Lazarus

Good grief! Using a rude telescope, he saw that there were moons circulating other planets. Don't you know anything? he was condemned by the church for his research. The church has much more recently apologized. Try opening a book. General knowledge is available anywhere. Geocentrism was the prevailing theory until Galileo -- and before him Copernicus -- showed that idea was wrong. Galileo verified Copernicus' findings. Nothing has changed in the intervening centuries simply because simple observation proves the Earth isn't the center of anything.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"he saw that there were moons circulating other planets."

So earth is not direct centre of everything - and Tycho Brahe and his judges agreed.

" he was condemned by the church for his research."

No, for unwarranted conclusions, no actual research result was remotely condemned.

"Try opening a book."

I checked an astroniomy book from 1980 before deciding to be Geocentric.

William P. Lazarus

ou remind of the boss I once had who quoted TV books from the 1930s as proof of something. Geocentriciity has been overthrown for 400 years. Try reading Sagan or any more recent astronomer, or any astronomy textbook.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Geocentriciity has been overthrown for 400 years."

Since 1616, Galileo process?

403 years .... no, it hasn't. As I have some German culture (too much to consider myself as "a German" when that is only nearly true and not actually true), I refuse to gloss over the Galileo affair in so superficial rhetoric as you do.

"You remind of the boss I once had who quoted TV books from the 1930s as proof of something."

You pretend a Draper White inspired "history textbook" in its chapters on Galileo is proof who was right in the process, or am I missing your point?

"Try reading Sagan or any more recent astronomer, or any astronomy textbook."

You forgot I read up in one from 1980 before deciding for Geocentrism, as I just told you.

I checked out a few facts which are to my mind relevant to the parallax argument evoked in the process.

And you STILL persistently keep sticking to cheap rhetoric, and STILL avoiding giving any actual arguments (once I refuted your point about Moons of Jupiter as irrelevant).

* To clarify, A Sceptic's Guide to the Universe is not a study, it's a whole book. I was asking William P. Lazarus to name one study which he finds reliable and which would need to be false if Geocentrism were true.