dimanche 11 juin 2017

Some guys tried to make her ridiculous instead of responding intelligently

Here is a FB publication on FreakOutNation:

Christian woman explains why Dinosaurs are fake. Lol!
FreakOutNation 24 mai, 00:14 ·

It was shared on a group with Kent Hovind affiliation that I am in, and this with the following comment:

What YEC here thinks that she's right??

some and going to my own responses:

Q at -1:54
Was about whether fossils weren't just come up with after the concept of dinosaurs was invented.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Q at -1:54, no, the first fossil classified as such was come up with by Steno:

"In 1667 Nicholas Steno wrote a paper about a shark head he had dissected. He compared the teeth of the shark with the common fossil objects known as tongue stones. He concluded that the fossils must have been shark teeth."

He was a Young Earth Creationist like most other guys back then in Christendom:

"Steno who, like almost all 17th century natural philosophers, believed that the earth was only a few thousand years old, resorted to the Biblical flood as a possible explanation for fossils of marine organisms that were far from the sea."

He also converted from Lutheran to Catholic and died in the service of the Lord, ministering to diaspora Catholics in Lutheran territories like Hamburg (less totalitarian Lutheran than Denmark and Sweden, I guess).

More fossils before dinosaurs:

"In his 1778 work Epochs of Nature Georges Buffon referred to fossils, in particular the discovery of fossils of tropical species such as elephants and rhinoceros in northern Europe, as evidence for the theory that the earth had started out much warmer than it currently was and had been gradually cooling.

"In 1796 Georges Cuvier presented a paper on living and fossil elephants comparing skeletal remains of Indian and African elephants to fossils of mammoths and of an animal he would later name mastodon utilizing comparative anatomy. He established for the first time that Indian and African elephants were different species, and that mammoths differed from both and must be extinct. He further concluded that the mastodon was another extinct species that also differed from Indian or African elephants, more so than mammoths."

THEN come the dinosaurs :

"In 1808, Cuvier identified a fossil found in Maastricht as a giant marine reptile that would later be named Mosasaurus. He also identified, from a drawing, another fossil found in Bavaria as a flying reptile and named it Pterodactylus. He speculated, based on the strata in which these fossils were found, that large reptiles had lived prior to what he was calling "the age of mammals"."

Note, Cuvier, who remained a Lutheran, was not loyal to Biblical timeline, but still a catastrophist.

Enter two Anglicans [I was wrong, Mantell was a Methodist], still well before Darwin:

"In 1824, Buckland found and described a lower jaw from Jurassic deposits from Stonesfield. He determined that the bone belonged to a carnivorous land-dwelling reptile he called Megalosaurus. That same year Gideon Mantell realized that some large teeth he had found in 1822, in Cretaceous rocks from Tilgate, belonged to a giant herbivorous land-dwelling reptile. He called it Iguanodon, because the teeth resembled those of an iguana. All of this led Mantell to publish an influential paper in 1831 entitled "The Age of Reptiles" in which he summarized the evidence for there having been an extended time during which the earth had teemed with large reptiles, and he divided that era, based in what rock strata different types of reptiles first appeared, into three intervals that anticipated the modern periods of the Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous"

And a little more about Buckland:

"Buckland was a proponent of the Gap Theory that interpreted the biblical account of Genesis as referring to two separate episodes of creation separated by a lengthy period; it emerged in the late 18th and early 19th centuries as a way to reconcile the scriptural account with discoveries in geology that suggested the earth was very old. Early in his career he believed that he had found geological evidence of the biblical flood, but later became convinced that the glaciation theory of Louis Agassiz provided a better explanation, and he played an important role in promoting that theory in Great Britain."

And about Mantell:

"The Mantell children could not study at local grammar schools because the elder Mantell was a follower of the Methodist church and the 12 free schools were reserved for children who had been brought up in the Anglican faith."

which I missed to credit in above response:


I now added it in an extra comment.

A[t] - 1:11
she gives a lot of crumbled flakes of plaster and asks us to reconstitute it.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
A[t] - 1:11 There are indeed fossils which are found in that state ("turn it into what it is supposed to be").

Some fossil species are known only from a skull, or worse, from a hip bone, which could perhaps as easily come from a nephelim giant.

But other ones are also found in a fairly complete state.

[as cited below:]

Hans-Georg Lundahl
-0:30 "If you want to keep your job, you come up with a brachiosaurus skull."

Sure, there are some fossils which are found in such a state. NOT all.

Brachiosaurus altithorax
Holotype (FMNH P25107): postcranial skeleton
Referred specimens: Partial skeletons

Brachiosaurus altithorax
on Palaeocritti - a guide to prehistoric animals

"Most images and reconstructions of Brachiosaurus are based on the specimen displayed in the Berlin Natural History Museum. The specimen was originally identified as an african species of Brachiosaurus however the specimen has now been identified as the dinosaur Giraffatitan."

"Giraffatitan was originally described as Brachiosaurus brancai in 1914 based from a partial skeleton discovered in Tanzania, until a revaluation of the specimen in 1988 by Greg Paul determined the specimen differed from other Brachiosaurus material and warranted a separate genus. The specimen in question is on display in the Berlin Naturkundemuseum (Museum of Natural History). As this specimen was once considered the most complete Brachiosaurus known, most artist reconstructions of Brachiosaurus are based on the Berlin specimen thus they are actually Giraffatitan!"

Partial skeletons and complete & partial skulls

So, you do have complete skulls of Giraffatitan, a k a Brachiosaurus brancai.

on Palaeocritti - a guide to prehistoric animals

However, they have a supposed relative, which is described here:

Uberabatitan ribeiroi
on Palaeocritti - a guide to prehistoric animals

Three specimina, no skull, only fragments. In my view it could be remains of a human like giant.

Now, if the guys on FreakOutNation had really heard of these facts, they might have given a similar intelligent response (minus the gigantic nephelistic suspicion on Uberabatitan ribeiroi) instead of just gaping and laughing at the idea of anyone being stupid enough to challenge scientists. They seem to be in a cult.

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