With Matt Singleton on LXX/"Apocrypha" and on liquor in moderation

1) Creation vs. Evolution : CMI and Reformers, *sigh* , 2) Great Bishop of Geneva! : 2 Timothy 3:16, 3) HGL's F.B. writings : With Matt Singleton on LXX/"Apocrypha" and on liquor in moderation, 4) Great Bishop of Geneva! : In defense of Jay Dyer's Objections from Back Then

Matt SIngleton

https://youtu.be/gxFj4VxfIiM
There is no 67 book of the Bible.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Oh sure there is!

II Peter is 67th, or even 68th, if you count Baruch as separate from Jeremiah:

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Second Epistle Of Saint Peter Chapter 1 http://drbo.org/chapter/68001.htm

And if you like a detailed discussion on why I trust the Catholic Church on that, look here:

Great Bishop of Geneva!: Why we Trust the Bible : Lita Gets It Nearly Right http://greatbishopofgeneva.blogspot.com/2015/10/why-we-trust-bible-lita-gets-it-nearly.html

Matt SIngleton

bible smack: The Case for a Closed Canon
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2007/02/case-for-closed-canon.html

bible smack: "On the road to alexandria" Responding to jay dyer's assault on Sola scriptura"
http://biblesmack.blogspot.com/2012/07/on-road-to-alexandria-responding-to-jay.html

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Re first link.

OT canon may be closed, but existed in more than one version by the time of the first Christians, who took the broader collection.

Matt SIngleton

Pay attention to the maccabees quotations in the 1st link

Hans-Georg Lundahl

“There had not been such great distress in Israel since the time prophets ceased to appear among the people” 1 Macc. 9:27

Now, do you know what TaNaKh means?

Torah (five books of Moses)

Nabiim (prophets)

Ketubim (writings).

This means that though writers of Maccabees were inspired, they were not prophets. Like writers of the 4 books of Kings (or of Samuel and Kings, in Jewish 2-book division of this portion), or of Chronicles.

This means they were socially not acting like Eliah or morally not acting like Jeremiah.

Not that they were not inspired.

Second link:

"How can you drink vodka or whiskey in moderation?"

3cl of either in a cup, fill up the rest with coffee or tea after taste.

[or, in hotter wheather, perhaps mineral water or a soda]

My gramp was a distiller, I will never take the anti-alcohol "morality" of that link. Now, I am reading on past the personal attack on a man very correctly earning his livelihood in a liquor store, bbiam.

Matt SIngleton

just as correctly as selling weed. btw, this fellow would live Christianity of all types a couple years later.

bible smack: A new look at an Old Word: The dark history of egypt
http://biblesmack.blogspot.fr/2015/09/a-new-look-at-old-word-dark-history-of.html

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I am not sure selling weed is in all cases forbidden, I am sure selling whisky and vodka can be done wthout offending moderation in drinking.

Other example. You have eaten or you are going to eat. You take a 3cl of anis liquor, dilute in water and drink that before or after meal.

ALSO not drunkeness (and is very appropriate observation on how liquor is used in France).

Matt SIngleton

Well, you would have to know the guy (jay Dyer) I was dealing with. He is a very offensive arrogant individual who attacks in almost everyway he can. So I have to be rough with him.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

[To link] "They did not contain the apocyrpha in the traditional sense. The apocrypha was always separate because they were not translating from the LXX they were translating from the hebrew which did not contain the apocrypha."

In NT LXX is not TRANSLATED from, but QUOTED from.

A Greek book citing a Greek book.

Hebrews quotes Jeremiah in a way that echoes LXX and contradicts the current Hebrew text. Rabbis have even called its author dishonest as "misquoting Jeremiah". No, St Paul or St Barnabas were quoting the Jeremiah text they thought correct - from LXX.

[To comment on Jay] You might be calling me "arrogant" in a moment.

That is basically what is done when Catholics and Orthdox are loyal to the teaching of their Churches (the true and the near true) rather than to Protestant non-Churches. Protestants call them arrogant.

Being rough about good points does not equate to inventing false one's to be rough.

[To link again] Back to LXX:

"If Jesus read from LXX and not the Hebrew Bible, why did he refer to the Hebrew Bible arrangement? Jots and tittles are not part of the Greek language but the Hebrew. Divisions like the Law, Prophets and Psalms are not found in LXX."

Jesus was obviously familiar with the Hebrew arrangement as well.

Also He had to know very well what His Apostles were facing from Pentecost on.

That is, He must have told them if LXX was good or bad. From what Church has taught since, it can't have been the latter.

Plus his Hebrew text may have been closer to LXX or at least Vulgate than to today's Masoretic.

Matt SIngleton

btw, At some point I know that the purpose of the group is about geo-centricity not differences of catholicism protestantism. You go ahead and post up any links you like on that topic. The purpose of the video is not to focus on our canon differences. It is focusing on natural revelation. Which protestant OEC's call the "67th book of the bible. I am saying that natural revelation is no excuse to espouse evolution or the big bang theory. We can agree to disagree on the canon and you are welcome to take up the topic with me on personal message.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Ah, ok.

Wonderful, one can tentatively chime in and say "there is no 74th book of the Bible (unless certain books accepted by EO belong*)."

Matt SIngleton

yeah basically

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I actually got that, but since Bible and its canon are holier than your point, I think I did right to correct the mistake on the more important point.

* Council of Trent defined canon inclusively, against Protestant cuttings out, I don't know any formula of it which would directly be condemning of EO versions of canon too.

Whether Internet is Killing the Newspapers?

1) HGL's F.B. writings : Whether Internet is Killing the Newspapers?, 2) New blog on the kid : Elena Maria Vidal Needs Funding

CB

Please forgive my off topic post, but I thought this important enough to post. I've found The Remnant Newspaper to be the most well written and insightful publication out today, but they need subscribers to continue shining the light of reason and orthodoxy into our spiritually darkened world. The internet is killing family owned and operated publications, in much the same way international corporate conglomerates like Target and Walmart have destroyed family owned and operated business' where ever they go. It has to stop!

The subscriptions are very reasonable, especially considering the level of orthodoxy and journalistic excellence found on their pages, (which is unmatched anywhere online or in print), and the frequency of the issues published. They put out a full sized newspaper (online & print) twice a month for $25. per year, for online version, and $40. or $50. for the printed version, so, so, so worth it.

Do yourself a favor, as I've done, and subscribe.

God bless you!

CB linked to:

The Internet is Killing The Remnant (We Need Help) Featured
Written by Christopher A. Ferrara / Wednesday, October 7, 2015
http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/2058-so-do-you-want-the-remnant-to-survive-yes-it-s-that-bad

HGL

"The internet is killing family owned and operated publications, in much the same way international corporate conglomerates like Target and Walmart have destroyed family owned and operated business' where ever they go. It has to stop!"

I think not.

For a consultation, yes, internet is fine, but one likes the pleasure of turning pages too. So, no, I plead NOT guilty.

CB

Hans, are you saying the internet is NOT killing family owned and operated publications?

HGL

As far as I know, the internet is not the culprit.

Also, the internet is a means of starting such, I have tried, but one probably culprit behind my lack of success is this urban legend that internet is killing family owned and operated publications.

I publish my stuff on the spot on internet, then I offer (so far no interested) others to print it in a republished and paid version. For which I could get voluntary royalty.

Here are my conditions:

HGL linked to:

hglwrites : A little note on further use conditions
https://hglwrites.wordpress.com/a-little-note-on-further-use-conditions/

HGL

Here are my caveats for the posts where others have contributed more than a quoted snippet:

HGL linked to:

Antimodernism : Copyright issues on blogposts with shared copyright
https://antimodernismus.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/copyright-issues-on-blogposts-with-shared-copyright/

HGL

Here are my blogs:

HGL linked to:

En lengua romance en Antimodernism y de mis caminaciones : Otros blogues del mismo escritor/oltri blogghi del stesso scrittore
http://enfrancaissurantimodernism.blogspot.fr/p/otros-blogues-del-mismo-escritoroltri.html

HGL

The urban legend referred to has been killing my business, probably for years by now.

CB

So you think an urban legend, that the Internet is killing family owned print publications, is the culprit, and not the fact that the Internet has radically changed people's reading habits?

The fact that people access most of their news and other information digitally, and not through the printed medium has even impacted large news organizations compelling them to upload all of their stories online, because most people just aren't buying newspapers anymore. This is precisely the problem that The Remnant Newspaper is voicing; it so easy and convenient for people to get their fill of news for free online, that people are not paying for print subscriptions, or even online subscriptions to trusted publications like they were before the Internet became the dominant source for information. So in precisely this way, the Internet is killing family owned and operated publications, like The Remnant.

You said, “For a consultation, yes, internet is fine, but one likes the pleasure of turning pages too. So, no, I plead NOT guilty.”

It's great that "you" still enjoy the pleasure of turning pages, (you should get a subscription to the Remnant Newspaper) but, as I've just pointed out, enough people have discontinued purchasing subscriptions to printed publications that both corporate, and smaller family-owned publications have noticed a drastic reduction in subscriptions. Here is the key point, without those vital subscriptions, family owned publications face the very real possibility of going out of business. This is a direct result of the use of the Internet. It seems to me that the only way someone might disagree with the statement "the Internet is killing family owned publications," is by interpreting it literalistically.

Now, if you think I'm still mistaken, it's going to take more than an assertion to convince me.

HGL

"(you should get a subscription to the Remnant Newspaper)"

For the moment, that is impossible.

I have not any money, I am, as internet writer not published on paper, not earning from my writings, except by making publicity for my blogs while begging. Also, as I am homeless, I have no place to store them. Also, I have no work paid for an employer buying my time, so I have more time than most to do research on internet.

Even so, some pages here are very long and do tend to tire me with scrolling and I would very much welcome an opportunity of turning pages instead, and if even so I was tired before reading through, at least knowing a page number where I left off.

"both corporate, and smaller family-owned publications have noticed a drastic reduction in subscriptions. Here is the key point, without those vital subscriptions, family owned publications face the very real possibility of going out of business."

How many have?

It takes more than a theoretical assertion, more like give me titles and former publishers.

The Remnant is the first case I hear of - over the internet. And they are not out of business yet.

At least one can give me credit for writing some stuff that is too long to read comfortably over the web and thus giving an incentive to buying it in book or magazine form.

As to subscriptions, I wonder if book format might not be a better deal now we are dealing with internet.

News for april 2016? Do one printing for the few subscribers you have, but see to it you can go on selling it for years to come, even with new prints, if demand for backnumbers should increase. Which they might do more for some issues than for others.

CB

No, The Remnant has not gone out of business yet, that is precisely why they wrote the article, and why I have posted it, to alert people to this problem and asking for people to subscribe, TO SAVE THEIR BUSINESS.

The Remnant may be the first case "you've" heard of, but this is a problem that's been going on beginning in 2009 and has only snowballed since then. I didn't say "the Internet HAS KILLED family-owned publications," I repeated, what the Remnant is saying, that the Internet IS KILLING their business, in the same way that it's hurting other print publications.In 2009, just in the United States, 105 newspapers went out of business, and 10,000 newspaper jobs were lost. In this first year alone, print ad sales fell by 30%.

CB linked to:

Gigacom : Two charts that tell you everything you need to know about the future of newspapers
Mathew Ingram : Apr. 11, 2013 - 2:58 PM PDT
https://gigaom.com/2013/04/11/two-charts-that-tell-you-everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-future-of-newspapers/

CB linked to:

TheAtlantic : This Is the Scariest Statistic About the Newspaper Business Today
Derek Thompson Mar 18, 2013
http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2013/03/this-is-the-scariest-statistic-about-the-newspaper-business-today/274125/

CB

European newspapers are having the same problem.

CB linked to:

theguardian : European newspapers search for ways to survive digital revolution
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/12/european-newspapers-digital-revolution

HGL

".In 2009, just in the United States, 105 newspapers went out of business, and 10,000 newspaper jobs were lost. In this first year alone, print ad sales fell by 30%."

How many of these were local papers with local news rather than same news every paper?

How many of these had tried to cater to changing needs, like more space for reprints in book form?

How many tried things like online versions and printing "most read stories" as best of collections?

If the 105 newspapers employed 10,000 employees, by themselves, then they were hardly small business. If on the other hand most jobs were lost in big business papers, this means the losses are mainly there, and small papers only lost 105. I mean if the 10,000 lost were in big business run papers distinct from the 105 that went down.

Funny or not so funny enough, it is in 2009 that I came to Paris, as an internet writer, and I seem to recall conversations about my project involving the kind of accusation against internet and thus against me.

First chart seems to imply newspaper advertising revenue is back to 1950's level.

Maybe it is a mistake for a printed paper to have much advertising revenues. Readers get so much ads over the web anyway.* Getting more out of book format may be a better deal and in that case also advertising products of oneself and of similar minded small editors.

However, less paper used for newspapers is also not quite a bad thing.

* That was the point of one article. 1 dollar spent on internet advertising = 16 dollars not spent on advertising in papers.

L'islam, deux maux, le pas si mal et le pire

Le pas si mal, un peu tolérable, à mon avis

Vidéo partagée sur FB : Vision du mariage par les wahhabites (Arabie saoudite & Qatar)
https://www.facebook.com/sebastien.andele/videos/577403339032233/

RR

va N T M connards qui veulent exporter leurs façons de vivre du moyen age

D'autres commentaires

même genre.

HGL

1) Je n'ai rien contre le moyen âge 2) "9 ans" c'est l'âge minimal pour la puberté chez les deux sexes, comme 18 ans c'est le maximal. Le NORMAL est 12 et qqs mois (ou entre 11e et 14e anniversaire) pour la fille et 14 (ou entre 13e et 16e anniversaire) pour le garçon. [Normal comme minimum, c'est à dire.] 3) Chez les Musulmans, "le père étant garantie" le consentiment parfaitement libre des contrahents juvénils n'est pas en cause; chez nous, pour ce consentiment, faut aussi une maturation du cerveau qui a lieu entre 10 et 12 chez les deux sexes. Pour nos critères, 9 est et restera trop jeune, pour les leurs, non. 4) Il y a une autre maturation du cerveau qui a lieu entre 18 et 25. Il ne faut PAS faire de celle-ci le critère du libre consentiment. Par contre, ce qui est faux, chez eux, est que le père puisse décider pour un mariage sans consulter sa fille et plus précisément son libre consentiment. Sans doute y a-t-il très souvent de fait une consultation, mais c'est grave que celle-ci n'est pas obligatoire. Chez eux. 5) C'est au moins louable qu'ils ne permettent pas la consommation du mariage avant un âge minimal. Il semble y avoir eu, il y a peut-être encore, des talmudistes qui déscendent beaucoup plus bas dans les âges. Même pour la consommation. 6) Le pire chez les Musulmans, c'est plutôt la situation des esclaves.

AC

nos fillettes, adolescentes ou jeunes femmes ont un bel avenir devant elles !!!!!

HGL

sauf celles qui, jugées trop jeunes pour être mères, quoique déjà enceintes, sont obligées soit à avorter, soit à faire adopter l'enfant à la naissance.

PE

Comme il le dit bien dans cette vidéo, le pédophile Mohamed, qui prit Aïcha pour épouse alors qu'elle n’avait encore que six ans, est le modèle à suivre. Tout n'est-il pas dit dans cette assertion?

HGL

Notons que par rapport à la biologie reproductive (question de consens libre à part), il n'était pas pédophile, car il attendait probablement la puberté de sa femme. À 9 ans. Par contre, du point de vue de la liberté de consentir, il aurait dû attendre jusqu'à 12.

Ajouté:

Quant au simple contrat de mariage, il correspond un peu à un contrat de fiançailles chez nous, et St Thomas précise que 7 ans (un an de plus qu'Aïcha) est de rigueur pour pouvoir le faire avec le consentement parental. La mère de St François de Sales fut fiancée à 8 et mariée à 14, il me semble.

PE

Selon les sources religieuses Hadith, Aïcha avait 6 ou 7 ans quand elle s’est mariée à Mahomet et 9 ans lorsque le mariage fut consommé... Vous n'appelez pas cela de la pédophilie, vous ? Ci-dessous, une fillette de 9 ans...

HGL

Comme dit, le contrat de mariage doit être distingué de la consommation. Aïcha a pu être précocement développé (la puberté est chez les deux sexes en cas normal, non jugé pathologique, entre 9 et 18, mais les deux extrêmes sont précisément extrêmes). Dans ce cas, ce qui manque pour qu'il aurait pu licitement le faire est le libre consentement, qui n'est pas à présumer avant 12 environs.

Le pire

sur un autre file de discussion, même groupe.

LC

voilà jusqu'ou le fanatisme et l'hérésie d'une religion peut pousser ses adeptes a exprimer des inepties aussi incohérantes, innomables

Metronews : Daesh justifie le viol à répétition pour convertir les femmes
13-X-2015
http://www.metronews.fr/info/daech-justifie-le-viol-a-repetition-pour-convertir-les-femmes/mojm!NoHuKVxh1PgyA/

Signature en signes chinoises

L'esclavage arabo-musulman en Afrique noire

L'esclavage arabo-musulman en Afrique noire
Afrika-United TV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWhWQwJI8QE

qui est le vrai mechant, enfin la verite!

HGL

Daech et le viol ... vous savez le côté "pédagogique" de leur esclavage.

Une grande victoire contre l'islamisme serait donc de décrédibiliser la carte de la pédagogie et resensibiliser contre l'esclavagisme dans toutes ses formes, y compris celles qu'on excuse chez nous comme de la "pédagogie"!

On Tolkien's Developed Views on Geo-/Helio-question

Alex Naszados

The young Dominican who wrote this doesn't say anything Earth-shattering, and offers the standard idea of geocentrism as a spiritual reality, but not physical (I know someone who says he is a geocentrist who does not believe in literal geocentrism). I guess this is at least slightly better than people like David Palm and Karl Keating, who insist on confusing traditional Christian cosmology with pagan geocentrism (which interprets a central position with being the "anus" of the universe).

He did make some remarks about Tolkien that were new to me.

Overall, he doesn't seem overly polemical. And as someone who studied physics at Stanford, he should be interested in "The Principle" & "The Journey to the Center of the Universe".

Linked to Br. Anthony VanBerkum, O.P.

Recovering Geocentrism
Posted on October 14, 2015 by: Br. Anthony VanBerkum, O.P.
http://www.dominicanajournal.org/recovering-geocentrism/

Hans-Georg Lundahl

The comment about Tolkien was new to me too.

Citing Br. Anthony VanBerkum, O.P.

"Tolkien set the fictional world of his primary works, such as The Lord of the Rings, in a prehistory of our own world, and he used a geocentric cosmology within his stories to enhance their air of antiquity."

Hans-Georg Lundahl

This I did know.

Link to HGL/own blog

New blog on the kid : A Relevant Quote from J. R. R. Tolkien
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/p/a-relevant-quote-from-tolkien.html

Hans-Georg Lundahl

However, here ...

Citing Br. Anthony VanBerkum, O.P.

"However, later in life he began to question this discrepancy. In his stories, cosmological knowledge comes primarily from the supernatural beings who created the entire universe and so know how the solar system is truly arranged; their geocentric cosmological accounts then seem to be blatant lies."

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Hmmm .... Joshua's Long Day? I mean, both God and solar angel, and if there had been such a thing as a "tellurian angel" (which heliocentrism would seem to require) would presumably also know very well what was happening and the Holy Spirit inspiring Joshua's daring would hardly have allowed to the words to be what they were, unless He were by Joshua confirming Sun and Moon are really ordinarily moving around us.

By now I hope Tolkien and wife have had a good look at the Tychonian workings of substellar parts of universe.

The two main Inklings do not always give the right answers (for some others one might say they are more into wrong ones) but they are posing the right questions (which is often true of the others as well).