If Vampyrism is Wrong (It Is), Is Putting Vampyre Wannabees in Asylum Right? (No)

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Here are first some screenshots, you'll soon see why:







The middle one shows JA showing up a screenshot with my comments, so, I think he is preparing a little accusation act, like RB's on "paedophilia" - hence why not give the entire debate in full, in text?

JA

Why are these people out on the streets, instead of locked up in a mental institution?

[omitting to show or directly link to disgusting publication, did not watch that kind of thing even on Goth forums:
https://www.facebook.com/ExtremeLoveShow/posts/742794382750428 - if you want to copy paste and see./HGL]

HGL

Why do you propose another kind of vampyrism to solve theirs?

JA

HGL I propose a place where the practice will not be allowed and the removal of society where they can't influence others to do the same.

HGL

Well, there are two possibilities without the vampyrism of psychiatry.

Not allowing it in their homes = chasing people's private lives, perhaps over evidence posted on internet.

Not allowing it openly in the streets = already done, if they try to do same thing on a street, they will get to see a police cell.

Now, to answer your question why : psychiatry has too long been doing too evil things, and to get in there, you need to be not just twisted, but confused rather than focussed in your interactions with people you meet (or you are out of luck and meet someone who can get away with pretending you are), and obviously these guys are fairly focussed in the streets, they are not high all the time and so on.

Or, you could say this is twisted from a religious point of view, in that case you are asking for the Inquisition, and the fact is it was ended in 1820, the last having extensive powers to jail people and threaten an auto da fé.

They don't look like they have an overdose of heroine or like they are mistaking underwear for headwear.

JA

HGL 1st of all, you don't need to make the same comment twice. 2nd I'm almost sure the consumption of human blood is illegal. 3rd I didn't expect anyone defending their right to consume human blood, wether privately or publically. 4th, they're most likely connected to underground criminal activities connected with their "fetiche". 5th these underground criminal activities connected to their fetiche, most likely include human traffic, that probably include children like pizzagate and similar activities. 6th vampirism is a mental illness that is highly connected to highly violent and sexual crimes https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinical_vampirism

[Not linking to "diagnosis" either.]

HGL

Your 6th point shows Psychiatry is engaging in a kind of slave hunt. A kind of slave hunt so extreme it borders on vampyrism.

"I'm almost sure the consumption of human blood is illegal."

If it is in a state, they can be in prison or pay a fine instead of going to your fetish place.

"I didn't expect anyone defending their right to consume human blood, wether privately or publically."

I wasn't defending any right, I was assessing possibilities of taking legal action against it and finding them rather slim (except by increasing state powers too much).

"they're most likely connected to underground criminal activities connected with their "fetiche""

Very possibly, in which case they could be in prison for those ones.

Or possibly not (except where consumtion of human blood is illegal) if they are cautious.

"these underground criminal activities connected to their fetiche, most likely include human traffic, that probably include children like pizzagate and similar activities."

My experience from Goths tells me otherwise.

I have, without engaging in vampyrism myself, been on a Goth forum, there are several other things to engage in there, like discussions or flirting with girls not too heavily gothic (like not vampyrists). The staple of such people (though drinking actual blood, if that is the case - it could be tomato juice - is beyond staple of them) are very cautious not to break actual laws.

Or to do so with great discretion.

If you want to tip off police on their connection to next disappearing child, you can, but be prepared to face police saying "we found nothing" and perhaps even a law suit for harrassment or calumnious denunciation. Or policemen rolling their eyes "no, not another fundie with Satanic hysteria over again".

Some police are even somewhat into Goth.

JA

HGL I don't know what kind of psychiatric institutions you have in your country, but I don't think people in there are made slaves and forced to work, or have their blood sucked from their veins/vampirism. Proposing jail time, to treat a psychiatric problem won't help, and jail is where there's forced work/slavery, like in the US where cops need to have an "arrest quota" to supply the system with cheap labor. Nothing new, since the country was built on slavery, and corporations profited from Nazi camps slave labor. "Cruising for chicks" (like you said you did) and partake in their sins, is basically what Adam did with Eve, and we all know where that ended.

HGL

"there are made slaves and forced to work, or have their blood sucked from their veins/vampirism."

There are other kinds of slavery than forcing someone to work, like forcing someone to undergo what one choses.

"Proposing jail time, to treat a psychiatric problem won't help,"

That's exactly how "homosexuality" got normalised.

FIRST step "sodomy isn't a crime, it's homosexuality that is a psychiatric problem".

SECOND step "oh, homosexuality isn't a psychiatric problem".

PLUS, with gaol, there is a limited penal servitude, with mental institutions, there can be a lifelong very abject slavery.

"Cruising for chicks" (like you said you did) and partake in their sins,"

Did I say I partook in their sins *while* cruising for them?

I was mainly cruising and in unchaste moments sometimes also partaking in sins - very much less grave than vampyrism.

Since eating and drinking and marrying is not per se wrong, one way of seeing a prediction by Our Lord is, He was using euphemism on cannibalism, vampyrism and gay marriage.

Some have concluded or said to have received from tradition, the flood came with gay marriage and I tend to see Neanderthal's as pre-Flood due to cannibalism. Now we have gay marriage again (presumably) and also vampyrism.

No, I am not for it. But it is hard to find a legal way of punishing it, and also, psychiatry is a way to worse abuses, if not *than* vampyrism, at least comparable.

If a shrink can decide someone gets what is good for him whatever he thinks of it himself when he is - according to shrink - too confused to decide, and if on top of that shrink both decides when patient is confused and what is good for him, I think you can see how this opens up to certain abuses.

In one case someone either in mental care or in some social services got into a lesbian slave marriage with an older mental patient. Guess who was the slave? Anecdotic from that site.

And if that arrangement seemed to her as less of an abject slavery than psychiatry, I can definitely understand that pov.

With CPS, foster parents of course in Sweden directly get unpaid labour at home. On top of the financial incentives tax payers are giving them.

JA

HGL I agree with you that psychiatric institutions and psychiatrists, like with every other human activity or institution, can commit abuses, but that's not meant to happen. I also agree with you that homosexuality has been "normalized" in the prison "population" and the "mental health" establishment has "deemed it normal". Marrying, eating and drinking may be legal, but cannibalism is illegal and vampirism is a kind of cannibalism, and can also be made illegal, as it involves consuming human "body parts". Human blood is just as much a body part as human meat is. There are laws that prohibit the consumption of animal blood for health reasons, that can be applied to human blood consumption, considering that humans are an "evolved animal" like schools teach.

HGL

"can commit abuses, but that's not meant to happen."

But it regularly does.

Of psychiatric wards I have seen, 1/20 to 1/10 is who might need sth like that, while the rest would be better off in either freedom or prison, depending on their deeds.

Often an abusive situation begins where a psychiatric "prise en charge" is used instead of a short prison term, and then it develops to a kind of lifetime - where minor "misdemaneours" in a certain tendency which would not land anyone in prison lands them in psychiatry.

On the other part, I tend to agree.

However, if the couple on that video were heard over that thing, in a jurisdiction where vampyrism was illegal, they would arguably say "oh, that was tomato juice, we were pretending".

Or "yes, we took a little drop of each one's blood" and ask "if you suck a drop of your own blood, when you cut yourself, is it illegal?" and next ask "if your partner cuts herself and you suck a drop of blood, is it illegal?"

In other words, those engaging in such behaviours do have excellent routine in getting around such enquiries.

JA

HGL psychiatrists, like other doctors, need to create a dependence on medication and themselves in order to keep the "business" going. More people die of side effects of correctly taking prescribed medication than people that die from car crashes. They may have "routines", but the routine blood consumption can be detected in medical exams, so the routine can be used against them.

HGL

Ah, did not know.

Note : I consider porn a sin. I do not consider RPGs or LiveRP or goth clothing as sinful. While I knew of people - not chicks, but a Church of Sweden "priest" whom I often debated - who was into vampire RP, there are lots of other, saner RP.

JA is Portuguese. It seems Portugal was a fairly OK Fascist state except for one thing, Salazar shook hands with a shrink who had lobotomised. Now, that kind of thing is arguably in some sense either a corruption inherited from Moors (as Hispanic JL suggested about teen marriages in his ancestry, but incorrectly), or one acquired from the English and Americans. First experiments - 1888, the Swiss psychiatrist, Gottlieb Burckhardt - first modern leucotomy - 1935 under the direction of the Portuguese neurologist (and inventor of the term psychosurgery) António Egas Moniz. Salazar régime was suddenly not as great as I had previously to learning this thought.