jeudi 15 novembre 2018

David Bawden / Pope Michael unfriended me


Here is possibly why, certainly how I discovered it. I wanted to add a comment in response to PG and found I couldn't.

David Bawden
or Pope Michael
Father Francis Dominic wrote: "When we are proud, we open ourselves to spiritual deception - because pride is the very nature of Satan, the deceiver. The moment you become proud of something - good looks, intelligence, spirituality, Bible knowledge, anything - immediately the devil holds your hand and says, "You and I are in fellowship now.""

I am not proud to be a Catholic, I am very grateful to God for this great grace.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
Nevertheless, we can brag about it.

"But God forbid that I should glory, save in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ; by whom the world is crucified to me, and I to the world."
[Galatians 6:14]

MMacC
But what of pride in family, of ancestry and country? Is that inherently sinful?

If so, we Scots are in deep trouble.

David Bawden
or Pope Michael
We should not use the term pride in any manner whatsoever. We should be thankful God gave us our family, or ancestry and our country. Let us start thinking as saints. I would believe that pride should not even be named among us.

Hans-Georg Lundahl
David Bawden I think you are mistaken about English language.

Pride as a sin is in French "orgueil".

Pride as in pride of ancestry is "fierté."

German and Swedish also distinguish

Hochmut / högmod (the sin)
Stolz / stolthet (the sentiment)

I do not think it is a Pope's role to redefine moral theology based on not having enough language books in the theological library.

Or on not having enough reading outside theology.

David Bawden
Notice that other languages use two different words to distinguish. Just because English does not have another word, does not mean that pride is the appropriate translation of these words.

Answer I could not add
It is. Take a dictionary German - English, Stolz = Pride, Hochmuth = Pride.

French - English, Fierté = Pride, Orgueil = Pride.

Caesar non supra grammaticam, papa non supra grammaticam.

PG
Definitely have to watch out for pride. It sneaks in unaware sometimes, I know.


The problem with the moral theology or rather anti-theology that Pope Michael (if such) is pastorally persuing is, if you are very careful to round up not only all superbia, but all vana gloria and all perfectly reasonable gloria or gloriatio (like in being a Catholic), you will end up blinding yourself to the sentiment and therefore not watching out when it grows an ulcer of real sin. You will not recognise the sinful pride, the arrogance, as pride at all, since you have concentrated on rounding up the sentiment until you can not recognise it in you.

It may be interesting where Fr Francis Dominic learned pastoral:



Hyles-Anderson College : What We Believe
https://hylesanderson.edu/about/what-we-believe/


Scripture
We believe the Word of God as found in the sixty-six (66) books from Genesis to Revelation is infallible and inerrant and perfect;1 it is the plenary and verbally inspired2 words of God to men.3 We believe God has also preserved every single word4 through the ages.

1 Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5; 2 II Timothy 3:16; II Peter 1:21; 3 Deuteronomy 8:3; Matthew 4:4; 4 Isaiah 40:8; Matthew 5:18; Matthew 24:35; I Peter 1:25.

God has divinely preserved His words for English-speaking people in the King James Version. The King James Version is the translation used in any and all ministries of First Baptist Church for English-speaking people.


In other words, they are an Evangelical college.

So, Pope Michael, if such, is risking to mix Catholic dogma with Evangelical (non-Catholic) pastoral. Specifically that of First Baptist Church.

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