A Serb is Anti-Austrian (Who's Surprised?)

Andy Ujku-Dardania

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A Central Powers victory would have been a much better outcome for Western Civilization.

They also would have been neither willing nor able to impose on the Allies they kind of crippling and humiliating terms that the latter did on Germany with the Versailles treaty.

The animosity would have faded away over the years and decades instead of being bottled up like it was in Germany which led to the second war.

The greater Kaiserreich would have brought political, economic and cultural stability to Central and Eastern Europe.

There wouldn’t have been the post War revolutionary chaos that we saw with an Allied victory.

Europe would be stable and America would return to isolationism even harder than it did with a victory.

There would be no League of Nations, no UN.

No globalism a we know it.

A Central Powers victory would have been a victory for the old world of nobility and chivalry against the new world of capital and opportunism.

Unfortunately Europe paid the price for an Allied “victory.” Twice.

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Nikola Avramov

Also, Lenin worked for Germany.

Bolshevism was what Axis Powers brought to Eastern Euroep.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Nikola Avramov Protestant and basically Atheist Prussian Germany.

Austria was not his backer.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl I've said "Axis Powers".

He was just 100% aligned with the Austrian policy on Eastern Europe.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Can you give any kind of documentation that Austria in 1914--18 was anything like for a Communist Revolution anywhere?

Or do you only mean, he allowed Poland freedom?

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Lenin was caught with material evidence of working for German intelligence.

Germany is an Axis power.

Don't play dumb with me.

The Third Congress of the Communits Party of Yugoslavia was held in Vienna, Austria on 17th May, 1926.

Adolf Hitler "allowed Poland freedom"?

Are you seriously suggesting this or am I missing something?

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl I'm not in the mood for anybody's nonchalant obfuscation and bartering over the existence of mountains of evidence and events of Biblical proportions.

This is the last time I'm going to say this.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Should you have any doubts about Axis destroying Yugoslavia, you would be well advised to consult the work of Matthias Küntzel called "Road to war, Germany, NATO, Kosovo" in which he cites Germany's state documentation and provides a decisive case on Germany destroying Yugoslavia during the 1990s.

While Germany's involvement was strong and undeniable, I only disagree with his conclusion on Germany being the ring-leader because I think the ring-leader was ultimately Great Britain in spite of Germany's enthusiasm and commitment to the agenda.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Adolf Hitler "allowed Poland freedom"?"

No, Charles I did.

"The Third Congress of the Communits Party of Yugoslavia was held in Vienna, Austria on 17th May, 1926."

OK ... not Ustashi anyway.

In 1926, they had no power. Also, in 1926, as later for any independent Austria, Austria cannot be considered an Axis power.

"anybody's nonchalant obfuscation"

Like you were taking Protestant "bishops" for Catholic clergy?

"Road to war"

Küntzel war Mitglied des Kommunistischen Bundes (KB) und gehörte nach dessen Spaltung 1991[2] der „antideutschen“ Redaktionsminderheit an, die sich fortan „Gruppe K“ nannte und die Zeitschrift Bahamas herausgab.

Either way, the Germany of Merkel was hardly the Austria of either Charles I or Dollfuss. Or Mons. Seipel.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

I'm noting that both Nicholas II and Charles I were "taken out of the way" ....

In a certain sense by each other, though indirectly. Karl Renner in Austria and Lenin in Russia would have had lots less power without WW-I.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Lenin worked for the Windsors.

Russia was pulled into the war because German reports were that "If Russia is left in peace by 2020 it will become unstoppable".

But ultimately, the war was instigated by Britain.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"for the Windsors"

Possible.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Plenty of indicators for it.

Among the blatant ones: Lenin drove a Rolls-Royce around.

When questioned about it, the official explanation was that it was confiscated from the Tsar's garage.

The thing is... it was a model built AFTER WW1.

And then there's this:

Wall Street and the Russian Revolution, Richard B. Spence
https://dn720005.ca.archive.org/0/items/nwo-book-collection/Richard%20B.%20Spence%20-%20Wall%20Street%20and%20the%20Russian%20Revolution_%201905-1925-Trine%20Day%20(2017).pdf

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Nikola Avramov

"The greater Kaiserreich would have brought political, economic and cultural stability to Central and Eastern Europe."

Eastern Europe?

They went for full-blown genocide of all Serbs.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Nikola Avramov Austrians genocidal against Serbs?

Er ... no.

Croats at a certain point (and without assistance from Alojzije Stepinac on that account), yes, Austro-Hungarian Empire, no.

At a certain point war gas was used, this ended as soon as Charles I came to the front and was able to stop it.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Stepinac was appointed by the Vatican, but he wouldn't have been without endorsement from Pavelić.

And Pavelić himself was put into the office by Adolf Hitler, a German Chancellor and an Austrian citizen.

The Vatican, Germany, and Austria qualify as Axis powers.

Delegating genocide is still committing it.

If the Vatican, Germany or Austria did NOT want it to happen in WW2, they would've simply appointed some insipid Croatian politician like Stjepan Radić instead of assassinating him and replacing him with carefully groomed local fascists for decades.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

And ... Stepinac didn't suck up to Pavelic once Jasenovac got started.

"and Austria"

In 1941, Austria did not exist. Ostmark did. Schuschnugg, the last chancellor of the first republic referred to 1938 as "Ein Requiem in Rot-Weiss-Rot" ... 1945 was Resurrection.

"Delegating genocide is still committing it."

Sure. But you can neither blame Austria nor the Vatican for Jasenovac, because these very clearly did NOT delegate it.

"they would've simply appointed"

You mean Hitler's Germany. A Hitler who had been banned from Austria and was excommunicated by German bishops (the Catholic ones, since Protestant "bishops" aren't actually bishops).

Austria and the Vatican had no say between Radic and Pavelic.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

My bad, Stjepan Radić seems to have been killed in 1928.

Puniša Račić seems to have been a Montenegrine Serb, a Crnogorski. NRS was purely Serbian populism. No ties to Vatican, Austria or even Germany.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl "And ... Stepinac didn't suck up to Pavelic once Jasenovac got started."

That was thoroughly debunked years ago.

Stepinac was VERY enthusiastic about it.

Among other things, he's on record for complaining to some Germans that they've massacred HIS flock FOR A CHANGE.

Look up for a recent publication which halted Stepinac's sanctification.

The Vatican halted the sanctification because it was facing overwhelming evidence.

"Alojzije Stepinac - state, church, archbishop (1934-1941) by the Filip Višnjić publishing house, published in 2019 is, I think, a very important publication on this issue. If memory serves, it cites overwhelmingly incriminating events and records of Stepinac enthusiastically expressing fascist beliefs. I do believe that it was presented to the Vatican and that it influenced Pope Francis's decision to freeze Stepinac's sanctification.

"and Austria"
"In 1941, Austria did not exist. Ostmark did. Schuschnugg, the last chancellor of the first republic referred to 1938 as "Ein Requiem in Rot-Weiss-Rot" ... 1945 was Resurrection."

When did anyone say otherwise?

The only "and Austria" refereed to the 1980s when Austria took part in destroying Yugoslavia in a proxy war.

Which is pertinent because the subject is Axis Powers and Eastern Europe.

"Delegating genocide is still committing it."
"Sure. But you can neither blame Austria nor the Vatican for Jasenovac, because these very clearly did NOT delegate it."

The "Serbs must die" motto originates form Austria.

The "Croatian nation" is an Austrian intelligence project.

I'm aware of Germany taking the reins after WW1, but they just picked up where Austria stopped and an Austrian, indoctrinated in Austria, put Pavelić into office.

If Germany's policy in 1941 was ANY different than the Austro-Hungarian policy on this issue back in 1914 - nuances would be pertinent.

They're the same policy. It's the tactics that have changed.

Sure, there are other factors, like the Vatican, the British endorsement of it all, the indirect French support, and occasional Polish meddling, which represented France or the Vatican.

Sure, Croats now look up more under German influence than Austrian influence... but the policies are pretty much the same: rob everybody in Eastern Europe, scheme in Eastern Europe so everybody gets killed, and when able to - literally kill everyone in Eastern Europe.

There's a Drang Nach Osten going on right now.

"they would've simply appointed"
"You mean Hitler's Germany. A Hitler who had been banned from Austria and was excommunicated by German bishops (the Catholic ones, since Protestant "bishops" aren't actually bishops)."

There's still a consistency of policy. This is a policy which has lasted for at least two centuries just on the topic of Serbian people alone and clearly longer when it comes to Russian people and state.

Plenty of Roman Catholics who became Atheists still insist that Roman Catholicism is The Church and that it is the center of Christendom. People who claim that they REJECT Christianity claim so. From an Orthodox Christian perspective - they're culturally and politically Roman Catholics.

Mutatis mutandis for Protestant Atheists.

Concordantly: whatever Hitler's differences with the Austrian leadership/government/state and/or the Roman Catholic clergy were - they did not prevent a measure of coordination and partnership in practice.

I'm generally aware of them. It's the German Protestants who overwhelmingly voted for Hitler. Hitler's placations towards Roman Catholics are overshadowed by his brutal hatred for Christianity (quite normal for someone whose party was shaped by Thulean and Vrill Luciferian wizards and witches).

Generally speaking, political factions REGULARLY cooperate on certain issues in spite of being fierce adversaries on other issues.

This is exceedingly self-evident and we're talking about one such blatant case.

Like I've said: Axis Powers have an extremely hostile policy towards Eastern Europe and I would argue that this goes for Slavic peoples in Central Eurore as well.

If they won WW1 there'd be way more violence and destruction in half of the continent.

Yes, the same goes for Western Europeans and their countries. This is where the two ultimately agree. And this includes the British Commonwealth, USA, and their respective satellites.

Personally, I think that it ultimately comes down to remnants of Western Rome taking revenge upon the remnants of Eastern Rome for 1st-millennium grudges. Some of those grudges I do understand, but it's been too much violence, crime and destruction to justify even a chunk of the actions taken in the 2nd and 3rd Millennia.

"Austria and the Vatican had no say between Radic and Pavelic."

There is overwhelming evidence of the local Roman Catholic monk order being involved with both Radić's assassination in order to pave way for the local clero-fascists. I forgot its name, but it should be easy enough to find.

"My bad, Stjepan Radić seems to have been killed in 1928."

Yes.

"Puniša Račić seems to have been a Montenegrine Serb, a Crnogorski. NRS was purely Serbian populism. No ties to Vatican, Austria or even Germany."

Yes, that's the way it was made to seem to be. And that's how the British propaganda covers it up: "violent Serbs doing violent crap".

The Black Hand, Račić's organization, was famously Freemasonic and there are clear indicators of British and German control.

Račić was released on the grounds of good behavior in a mere few years. He directly walked in to the Minister of Justice's office to turn himself in. Someone fixed that multiple murder to destabilize the country and make way for the fascists to radicalize the Croats.

His political party isn't very pertinent because he carried himself as a loyalist to the king and generally insisted on preferential treatment.

The Slovenian representatives, who generally sat BEHIND the murdered Croatian politicians, chose NOT to come to the Parliament that day.

There are plenty of interesting nuances.

There very much seem to be overwhelming indicators that this was a steady preparation for the Ustasha movement to take root as a relevant and rising political current in Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes.

Radić's assassination predates a rapid rise in the rise of fascist organizations.

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl And I can and should blame the Vatican for not defrocking these friars for saluting with a salute used by Neopagans and blessing crimes before they even happened.

They're on record for pre-absolving murderers before the murder in this very period.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

None of the ones in this picture are friars.

They are Protestant "bishops". They and their flock couldn't care less about the Vatican. You know, it was c. 400 + years since Luther and then a bit later Calvin taught them not to mind.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"on record" ... does that mean on criminal records by Tito Yugoslavia's cangaroo courts?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Stepinac was VERY enthusiastic about it."

Or a Commie court pretended so?

"Plenty of Roman Catholics who became Atheists still insist that Roman Catholicism is The Church and that it is the center of Christendom. People who claim that they REJECT Christianity claim so. From an Orthodox Christian perspective - they're culturally and politically Roman Catholics."
"Mutatis mutandis for Protestant Atheists."

Hitler wasn't exactly an Atheist, more like a Pantheist.

Spinoza, the Jewish take on Atheism.

But culturally and politically, Hitler was Protestant. He despised Habsburgs and admired Hohenzollerns.

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Nikola Avramov

Axis powers have for centuries and are at this very moment doing their best to murder everybody in Eastern Europe.

There are no crimes they haven't committed over Eastern Europeans.

The famous "Eastern European rivalries"?

Those have three authors: the Vatican, Great Britain, and the Habsburgs.

Europe is undergoing a catastrophe right now because the Axis powers REFUSE to STOP MURDERING EASTERN EUROPEANS EVEN IF IT CONTINUING TO DO SO WOULD COST THEM EVERYTHING.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Nikola Avramov Beg your pardon?

Nikola Avramov

Hans-Georg Lundahl Are you claiming complete and innocent ignorance or are you implying outrage?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

For the Habsburgs, I simply don't believe you.

For the Vatican, I also don't believe you.

For Great Britain, I'm on the edge.

However, you said the Yugo-Commu congress was in 1926 Vienna? Check this out:

1920–1934 befand sich die Sozialdemokratie in der Bundespolitik in Opposition zur konservativen Regierung und schuf im Roten Wien ihr politisches Gegenmodell.

So, the federation was ruled by Habsburg friendly conservatives, but Vienna by Social Democrats leaning to Communism.