Rus of Rurikids and of Kiev = Ukraine or Russia? (Not Moscow's Empire!)

Angelica Shalagina

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Ukraine is not a piece of russia.
Never was.
Never will be.
And that’s exactly what putin can’t accept.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Claiming Ukraine was part of Rossiya / Muscovy, is like claiming England, Scotland and Wales are part of the United States.

Obviously, Ukraine was part of Sviataya Rus', the main part in fact, and that along with Belarus and selected originally not Moscovite parts of Russia, like Kuban and Novgorod.

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Richard Murphy

Hans-Georg Lundahl Sorry, you are wrong - the US thing is back to front, since the US "belonged" to England at one time, not the other way around.!

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Richard Murphy And parts of Russia belonged to a Rus' that is now mainly Ukraine.

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Robert Thomas

Hans-Georg Lundahl Ukraine never existed then

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Robert Thomas Under the name Rus, it did.

Живко Иванов

Hans-Georg Lundahl so it was Russia

Hans-Georg Lundahl

No. Russia is basically Muscovy, not Rus.

Живко Иванов

Hans-Georg Lundahl and why Rus would be Ukraine? How high are you

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Rus happens to have had as capital in 988 AD a certain city named Kiev.

How high is that.

I did not deny but actually state Rus included Belarus and some parts of modern Russia, but these ones were rebooted from Muscovy, and Suzdal, Tver and Vladimir were not original parts of Rus. Novgorod was in Rus, and was destroyed by Muscovy in the 16th C, Kuban also, and was starved for Muscovy in the 20th, like Ukraine.

How high is that? Not one single joint, not one single mouthful.

How about you asking your level of either THC, alcohol or simply stress hormones, when you didn't read all of my original comment before making your answer?

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Dima Kasyanenko

Hans-Georg Lundahl not exactly its like claiming that the US ARE part of UK

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Dima Kasyanenko The other way round.

Muscovy got independent of a Rus that was centred in Ukraine. THEN Muscovy, having claimed "all Russia" for itself, tried to make Ukraine a part, and failed, much like the settlement in Ireland failed to make Ireland a second island for John Bull.

Dima Kasyanenko

Hans-Georg Lundahl exactly

Hans-Georg Lundahl

You do get the difference, I hope?

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Stephen Loach

Hans-Georg Lundahl different continents for a start and the US was British

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Stephen Loach Exactly my point.

Muscovy, the beginning of modern Russia, was an outpost, lately reaching independence, compared to a Rus centred on Kiev, i e on Ukraine, mainly.

Stephen Loach

Hans-Georg Lundahl there were no countries at that time, just constantly moving kingdoms or the like. Modern Ukraine was a creation of the USSR. Kyivian Rus only became a power after the Swedish arrived. The Rurik dynasty later moved to Moscow which later became the Russian empire which included a place called Ukraine. All that aside UKraine is independent now and deserves to stay that way

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Stephen Loach "The Rurik dynasty later moved to Moscow"

If the Ynglings moved from Swabia to Sweden, this doesn't give Charles XVI Gustaf the right to rule Stuttgart or other parts of Württemberg.

If the Ynglings, with much more certainty moved from Sweden to Norway via Wermland after Ingjald, this doesn't give Haakon VIII any claim on Sweden.

What you mean is that ONE branch of the Rurikids came to rule Suzdal, Tver and Vladimir, later unified to the principality of Muscovy. They also very quickly came to bow down to Tatars.

And one of the oldest actually Rurikid cities, Novgorod, was attacked by Muscovy when Muscovy got free from Tatars. As a Swede, I'm not forgetful of Novgorod.

Meanwhile, the Suzdal and so on branch was only one branch, most branches, with or without power, lived on in what's now Ukraine or nearby parts of Russia, as well as in Belarus.

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Cristina Gorea

Hans-Georg Lundahl 😂😂 What an impressive display of historical confusion! Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire from the 18th century and later part of the Soviet Union until 1991. Comparing that to Britain being part of the United States is absolutely ridiculous. 😂 And Kyivan Rus wasn’t some modern Ukrainian nation state either. It was a medieval federation whose history is shared by Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians. You can’t simply cherry pick medieval history and pretend the following centuries never happened. Perhaps open a history book before confidently lecturing everyone else. 😂

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Cristina Gorea "Ukraine was part of the Russian Empire from the 18th century"

Make that, was occupied and oppressed by the Russian Empire, not unlike how Ireland was by England, Highlands by England and by Lowlands.

"Comparing that to Britain being part of the United States is absolutely ridiculous."

Not if some guys conquer Britain and make it 51st, 52nd and 53rd states.

"And Kyivan Rus wasn’t some modern Ukrainian nation state either. It was a medieval federation whose history is shared by Ukrainians, Russians and Belarusians."

If you look up my original comment under Miss Shagalina, I mentioned that Belarus and parts of Russia were also part of Kievan Rus.

The main parts of Kievan Rus that are now Russia are Kuban, victim of Holodomor, and Novgorod, victim of Ivan the Terrible.

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Julia Juleah

Hans-Georg Lundahl The Eastern part of Ukraine was Russian territory long before Ukraine was born, hence why the residents are ethic Russians and why the Russian language is their mother tongue! The land was carved out of Russian territory to form part of Ukraine. Living in denial won't change the facts!

Kjell Flanell Flodman

Julia Juleah Ukraine is the cradle of Russia and until 1169 were the grand princes of Kiev supreme rulers over all Russia.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Kjell Flanell Flodman Obviously not counting Muscovy, which didn't even exist in 1169.

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John Reilly

Hans-Georg Lundahl ukraine is new

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Not really. No more than Finland and Poland and Lithuania in 1918.

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Kuba Dabrowski

Hans-Georg Lundahl ukraine is made up from Russian and Polish land. leeching ukraine is no older than 100 years old unfortunately 🤣

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Kuba Dabrowski You forget that culturally, Ukraine has stronger continuity with Rus than Russia has.

Are Orthos Talmudists?

I saw this list:

9, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17 are not what the Bible text says.

As to 20, for some people words are work.

Journalists, writers, including essayists and debaters of whom I am one./HGL

(My question in the title is bc a Talmudist will take Exodus 23:19 and rule "cheeseburgers are forbidden" ...)

MEJ is Back

Let's not rest with the first impression below, though I can relate to the irritation on Cafeteria Christians. A certain Ratzinger was on certain issues of Cafeteria Catholics saying "the cafeteria is closed" ... if he had meant it on these issues too, maybe he could have been a pope for real.

But I mean the first impression given by the meme he shared:

Michael Edward Johnson

22 Oct. 2026

And don't forget the more "advanced " and insidious models known as cafeteria Christians or cherry picker Christians.

They will look at you with a straight face and tell you Bible didn't mean any of these literally. They were and are meant to only be taken as metaphor and symbolism.

But the Resurrection and Salvation? Those are 100 percent accurate and literal

Not sure

if I'd like to interact with him, but here is to his arguments:

"A Donkey talked" but not without help from God almighty.

"A man lived inside a fish" or was raised when being spewed out. Not the only raising from the dead if so. Don't forget that three young boys stood in a firey furnace and came out unsinged.

"A woman turned to salt" or possibly salt was added on the outside, so the pillar could be identified as a salt pillar from the exterior.

"A snake talked" when possessed by Satan.

"A man rode a tornado to heaven" ... wasn't it more like a fire wagon in the tornado?

Yes, taking up a body from earth to any kind of heavenly realm tends to be spectacular.

"The Sun stood still for one day" as well as the Moon. God ceased to turn the aether around Earth and the angels of each ceased to take them on yearly / monthly rides. Then resumed.

I mean, Israel had a victory to win, and Joshua's name is the name of Jesus, in Hebrew.

"Hundreds of thousands of animals lived on a 500' boat" ... if you count the insects, probably yes.

Vertebrates? I've calculated from biological families of land vertebrates that the Ark needed c. 2000 couples. Add some more for dinosaurs and pterosaurs and pelykosaurs.

NOT anything close to 100 000!

"Zombies walked around Jerusalem" ... No. They were actually raised from the dead, for real.

Temporarily or with the final resurrection, on Good Friday or after Jesus rose, disputed. BUT they were raised for real, they weren't zombies.

"A disembodied hand scribbled on a wall at a party" ... big deal. If even demons and ghosts can pull off poltergeists, why would God be less powerful?

"Half a trillion cubic miles of water fell as rain for forty days" ... let's count.

196.9 million square miles is the surface of earth, land and sea. The water depth on the Flood, above pre-Flood sea levels, could have been like 3 miles high. Mount Everest and Andes and Pyrenees and the rest of Himalaya around Mount Everest rose after the Flood.

196.9 * 3 = 590.7 million cubic miles higher water. That's half a billion, not half a trillion.

Then there is the question how much of it came from rain, because water came from subterranean "wells of the deep" too.

Let's suppose these count for half. And as rainfall is measured in mm per 24 h, let's divide it into 40.

7.38375 million cubic miles per 24 h. To get the mm which equals litre on 1 sqm flat ground, let's convert and divide by square meters on earth:

7,383,750 cubic miles to litres: 30 776 812 553 596 584 000 liter.

Earth surface 510 million km^2

30 776 812 553 596 584 000 / 510 000 000 000 000 = 60 346 mm rainfall in 24 hours.

Greatest 24-Hour Rainfall: 1825mm (71.8")
https://wmo.int/asu-map?original_nid=21824&map=Rain_081&book=21486

07 Jan 1966– 08 Jan 1966, Foc-Foc; La Réunion [21°15'S; 55°40'E]

60 346 / 1825 = 33 times more rain than on an extant modern record.

That begins to seem relatable.

What about rainfall per hour?

60 346 / 24 = 2514 mm

Greatest rainfall in one hour
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/737965-greatest-rainfall-in-one-hour

On 22 June 1947, an unprecedented 304.8 mm (12 inches) of rain fell in just 42 minutes at Holt, Missouri, USA.

304.8 * 60 / 42 = 435 mm if the same rate had lasted a full hour.

2514 / 435 = 5.78 times as fast ...

Now it begins to seem very relatable.

Greatest 1-Min Rainfall: 31.2mm (1.23")
https://wmo.int/asu-map?map=Rain_031

Krause and Flood (1997) note that the total precipitation during the storm was 91.0 mm (3.6 inches) of which 72 mm (2.84 in) fell during a 50-minute period from 2:50 to 3:40 P.M. Rainfall was masured with a recording raingauge located in satisfactory exposure. Some 13 points pertaining to functioning of the gauge were considered in evaluating this record by H.H. Engelbrecht; then State Climatologist for Maryland and T.E. Hostrander; who was Substation Insprector. It was concluded that "... 1.23 inches of precipitation occurred in an estimated period of one-minute or less." The recording rain gauge chart (shown below) indicates that at chart time 3:23+ the pen was at 2.47 inches on the chart scale and at chart time 3:32- it was 3.70 inches

That was 4 July 1956. Unionville; MD [38°48'N; 76°08'W; 152 m (499 ft)]

2514 / 60 = 41.9 mm
41.9 / 31.2 = 1.343 times as fast.

Not unrelatable at all.

"Water droplets didn't refract light before Noah" wrong reading of God setting the rainbow as a sign.

It already existed and became a sign.

"Blowing a horn and yelling will make city walls collapse" but not without God.

"Plants grew before there was sunlight" but not before there was light.

Cannabis is sometimes cultivated in cellars, for secrecy, and under the light of halogen lamps.

The first light God provided had to be more plant friendly than that.

"Because stories invented in the heads of Bronze Age desert dwellers say it happened this way!"

Some of the things he complained about were way after the Bronze Age, and botb Bronze Age and 1st C AD events were often enough by definition witnessed by very many, so could not have been made up in the heads of someone and then spread by mistaken confidence in someone hallucinating.

Pilleurs, ça existe, il y a un autre côté de la violence aussi

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Description de la vidéo, par Patience Endurance:

Patience Endurance

Ces images sont le reflet glaçant de la violence institutionnelle qui gangrène notre société.

Plusieurs policiers s’acharnent sur un jeune homme déjà à terre, le frappent alors qu’il est sans défense, puis l’abandonnent blessé et inconscient sur le bitume. Et pendant ce temps, on les entend dire qu’il faut vite partir. Comme si la violence qu’ils viennent de lui infliger ne les concernait déjà plus.

Mais qu’est donc devenu le métier de policier ? Leur mission est de protéger la population, pas de transformer l’autorité en permis de frapper. Depuis quand le fait de porter un uniforme autorise-t-il à s’acharner sur un homme à terre, puis à l’abandonner sans même s’assurer de son état ?

Derrière ces images, il y a un jeune homme qui risque de garder des séquelles physiques et psychologiques de ce qu’il a subi. Il y a des blessures qui ne se voient pas immédiatement, des traumatismes qui peuvent marquer une vie entière. Et tout cela au nom du maintien de l’ordre ?

Quand la violence devient une réponse institutionnelle, quand des agents agissent comme si la force les dispensait de toute responsabilité, ce n’est plus seulement un problème de comportement individuel, c’est le fonctionnement même du maintien de l’ordre qu’il faut interroger.

Ces policiers sont, pour beaucoup, de jeunes hommes eux aussi. C’est d’autant plus effrayant de voir à quel point la violence peut devenir banale lorsqu’elle est exercée dans un cadre institutionnel et sous couvert d’autorité.

On ne maintient pas l’ordre en brisant des êtres humains. On ne protège pas la population en lui inspirant la peur. Et aucune institution ne devrait pouvoir soustraire ses agents à l’obligation de répondre de leurs actes.

Sur la propre page de Patience Endurance :

Maryse Hiniger Montagne

Mais ce n'est pas l'uniforme des policiers ????

Patience Endurance

Maryse Hiniger Montagne si, ce sont bel et bien des policiers, ce sont les tenues d'intervention des unités spécialisées Brav-M, CRS, BAC ou compagnies d'intervention qui opèrent en tenue sombre, avec brassards, gilets tactiques et équipements de protection, souvent sans matricule RIO visible.

Ajoutons :

Je n'ai pas eu de réponse sur ma requête d'avoir le clip vu sur FB en version youtube. J'ai demandé auprès du vidéaste et il est islamiste./HGL

Joakim Lamotte is at Scolding Greta Again

Joakim Lamotte

Greta Thunberg is supporting the violence in France.

[Video too]

Hans-Georg Lundahl

As I have found out, Greta was protesting in St. Denis.

I have seen riots in Paris, walking from Châtelet to Bastille and beyond.

The rioting was unequal, even there there were bona fide protesters.

Greta may have been naïve or fausse naïve, but she is not obviously supporting violence.

Peaceful students existed even in Paris on the 17th. Certainly, not exactly the ones leading the course of events everywhere, but they existed.

A couple that talked to me, and who were obviously not rioting, said it was no longer just about the high schools, it was general about the budget, about what hospitals get, and about the old age pensions.

At Bastille, I arrive probably when some started making it violent, by letting off fireworks up in the air. However, whether that assessment was correct or not, I did see peaceful protesters simply sitting down with cardboards, like one making (unfairly) fun of RN, one of the President, one asking "tax the rich" ...

So, criminals hijacked the protest, but not everywhere even in Paris, and very probably not in St. Denis. Like that's where a lot of Muslims live themselves, perhaps not the place likeliest to get looted ...

If you don't know what I mean by "again" — when Greta had been kidnapped on International waters, he made a video asking IL to keep her locked up.

Two Answers Against Evolutionists

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Michael Edward Johnson

16 October 2026

And without Bible they have less than nothing to go on- ridiculous.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I actually can't grasp the concept of a creature with apelike communications evolving a human language.

Can you?

If so, can you explain it, please?

Get familiar with some of the hurdles first, please! Here:

Creation vs. Evolution: Just So Story on Language
https://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2026/09/just-so-story-on-language.html

two days later

no takers, and the post is still standing.

II A

someone (same group?)

some day

posted a chart with periods of geological time.

I asked

where exactly the person had seen two different fossils of land vertebrates, from different periods one above or below the other.

some guy replied

literally everywhere

I answered:

what is your location?

What is the palaeontology there?

What exact land vertebrate fossil is from one period, and what exact land vertebrate is from another period?

Is the angle digging down from one to the other 45 ° or more vertical?

the post

I right now cannot find .... for some reason. I didn't get a response, though.

II B

retrieved

Michael Edward Johnson

14 October 2026

*Comprehension of this science is impossible if you think the Universe and the Earth are only 6,000 to 10,000 years old. Also its futile to try and shoehorn them into that ignorant and ridiculous timeframe. Slowly back away and come back when you know some science. And please don't comment on it- it will make you look worse.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Can you perhaps tell me where on earth a land fossil from one of these Periods lies above or below a land fossil from another of them?

FD

Hans-Georg Lundahl You mean besides everywhere, right, dumbf*ck?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

FD 1) What locality do you live in?
2) What Palaeontology is there there?
3) Name one fossil of a LAND vertebrate from one period and another fossil from another period and tell me where each was found?
If digging down from the one to the other you could use a 45° angle or more vertical, I'll accept it.

Progress ... an ugly word

Michael Nahass

Progress is the protection of all oppressions today; because progress tells us we are better than our fathers, even when conscience tells us we are worse than ourselves...It is a tendency of people who are liberal in their theology to be an illiberal in everything else.
-GK Chesterton New Witness

The present generation is not revolting against the views its fathers hold; it is making up legends about the views its grandfathers held. It gives them some sort of pleasure, which I have never understood, to suppose that their grandfathers were all lunatics.
-GK Chesterton

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Michael Nahass You might find this interesting.

In Swedish, "progress" as in "a progress" is "framsteg", but "progress" as you use it takes definite article, so "framsteget".

In some dialects "framsteget" becomes "framstega" ... and in UPPER CASE and ASCII number values, that gives 666.

Michael Nahass

😮

F		70
R		82		150
A		65		210
M		77		280		14
S		83		360		17
T		84		440		21
E		69		500		30
G		71		570		31
A		65		630		36