A Creationist More or Less Friend Goes Anti-Catholic, Again + Update on Rick DeLano

Kukoleck Adam

“Not only is Rome the source and center of Fascism, but it has been the seat of a Pope [Pius XII], who, as we shall show, has been an open ally of the Nazi-Fascist-Shinto Axis since his enthronement. He has never raised his voice against that Axis, he has never denounced the abominable aggressions, murder and cruelties they have inflicted upon mankind, and the pleas he is now making for peace and forgiveness are manifestly designed to assist the escape of these criminals, so that they may launch a fresh assault upon all that is decent in humanity." H.G. Wells "Crux Ansata, An Indictment of the Roman Catholic Church." Chapter 1

Hans-Georg Lundahl

This lie by the Marxist Wells is rebuked by the correspondence between Pius XII and Truman, during the war.

"the pleas he is now making for peace and forgiveness are manifestly designed to assist the escape of these criminals"

I'm noting that Wells was eager to make high demands for hangings and war reparations, and would have been as eager to lay even more of Germany waste in 1945. He is - like his near master Lenin - a liar and a killer.

[As a Fabian, Wells did not have Lenin totally as master, especially not in economic things.]

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Kukoleck Adam

I don’t see it. Criticism of the pope may be wrong but it’s never misplaced

Hans-Georg Lundahl

If it is wrong, it's misplaced because it is wrong.

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg Lundahl I don’t know that it’s wrong

Hans-Georg Lundahl

I do.

Peter Godman, Hitler et le Vatican, Paris, Perrin, 2010, 368 pages, 23 €

https://www.piexii.com/20100215hitler-et-le-vatican/

My accusations against the possible apostate in 50-51 is opposite : he gave orders for Montini and Roncalli (both future antipopes) to succour the Jews. He hid a lot of them in the Vatican (from which German occupants of Italy were excluded) and all three got close to them, and they were already Evolution accepters and modernist apostates.

But the antisemitic criminal is ludicrous. Later research has shown he had previously not been fond of Jews, but he did more than most to save their lives.

Other instance : The Assisi Underground. By Alexander Ramati. Bishop of Assisi and Fascist mayor of Assisi hid Jews.

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg Lundahlante pavelich?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Like when did Christians get a duty to help vindictive prosecution?

Tito may have been OK about farmers (unlike Stalin), but he was already massacring people (including Croat refuges in Austrian Bleiburg).

It was obvious Ante Pavelic had no chance of a fair trial.

Are you a fan of the Jewish Massonic liar who was promoted by Chick tracts and described himself as a "hereditary knight of Malta" which is not sth that exists?

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg Lundahl Jewish Masonic liar? Who? Are you saying it was right to hide him because he couldn’t receive a fair trial?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

It was right to help people flee from unfair trials, including both Ustashi and Nazis.

It is a Christian act of mercy.

Recall the role of the altar in the OT?

Who? One often cited by Serbs with anti-Catholic accusations.

Kukoleck Adam

John Wilkes booth was hid and buried at the Vatican. Why?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

John Wilkes Booth never left US. You brought up one of his helpers, he was extradicted.

Btw, I meant Avro Manhattan.

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg LundahlI think Mussolini couldn’t get a fair trial but he got what was coming

Oh I’m a fan. Not because I believe everything he said was true but because he was one person that believed in telling both sides of the story about the pope. The msm doesnt

Hans-Georg Lundahl

If Mussolini had appealed to the Catholic Church, they would have been obliged to give him shelter against for instance partisans.

"And among the cities, which you shall give to the Levites, six shall be separated for refuge to fugitives, that he who hath shed blood may flee to them: and besides these there shall be other forty-two cities,"
[Numbers 35:6]

And when did Avro Manhattan ever tell the pro-Catholic side of any part of the papacy?

When was he even moderately honest about the anti-Catholic stuff?

What is "msm"?

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg Lundahl mainstream media

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Well, they are not wrong on everything, and they are catching up after - in English speaking countries - being too Avro Manhattan.

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg Lundahlhow’s Rick Delano george?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Well, he is as far as I know not attacking Pius XII for participation in the NS persecution of Jews.

We are divided about details in Geocentric cosmology, like whether angels move celestial bodies (me, yes, he, no) and whether the phenomenon classified as parallax really is that and tells us about stellar distances (he, yes, me, no).

I don't know what he is even doing in this discussion.

Update

Kukoleck Adam

Hans-Georg LundahlI see no I was curious about his health I believe I had heard he had several different health issues from time to time and I haven’t heard from them lately travel in different circles so

Not to be evasive at all this my time is pretty limited these days but I appreciate your reference and it’s Sunday I happen to acquire the means to to get that I may well really believe it but I wouldn’t have any opinion at all if I Change it every time somebody came along with a contradictory reference

Ron Eclavea

Kukoleck Adam
Sadly ...he passed away a few days ago. 🙏🏻⛪️⛪️⛪️

Kukoleck Adam

I had no idea . Just seemed he had been sick on and off. Do you know what from?

Ron Eclavea

Kukoleck Adam

Sorry ...not a few days ago.

He passed on Sunday morning, January 23.

He had been ill for some time.

I found out on a Facebook chat on one of Sungenis Facebook podcast

Sungenis also commented a bit on his time with Rick 🙏🏻

Kukoleck Adam

That’s a loss for us. He knew his stuff. So good at presenting it.

Ron Eclavea

Kukoleck Adam

True! He will be greatly missed.

Animated and very passionate, articulate and smart.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Ron Eclavea Thank you for telling. RIP

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Kukoleck Adam

Did the Vatican not assist anti-Pavelich to escape justice and hide him in continents did they not assist do assassin of Lincoln and hide him in the Vatican how many World War II enemies were hidden by the ratlines and the Vatican. Does the Vatican have money from the Jews and others does that not make them complicit in murder and stealing

[already answered on Ante Pavelich above.]

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Kukoleck Adam I already answered, no, the assassin's indirect helper was certainly in the Papal States, but not known to authorities there to have been such, and they helped extradict him.

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Kukoleck Adam

What is the pope wrong about George what is the Vatican wrong about

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Kukoleck Adam If you mean the historic Vatican - nothing.

If you mean the Vatican in Exile - at utmost Pope Michael's social ethics are too bourgeois and capitalistic.

Perhaps, at worst, amounting to Puritan.

If you mean "Pope Francis" - his Vatican is not Catholic. But it is also very far from Antisemitic.

Who? One often cited by Serbs with anti-Catholic accusations.