Spinoff from A Heliocentic Heckled the Ascension of Jesus
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Elaine Holt As far as I can tell, his claims do not come wholesale from the Bible.
It is a reliable source for the event, by the way, if not for James Shiers' explanation, since it isn't in there. Specifically this statement on material reality:
"the dimensions (time, space, matter and six other dimensions now proven with the Hadron collider)"
No, they aren't. Hadron colliders can be very misinterpreted.
- Elaine Holt
- Hans-Georg Lundahl ... Disagree.
1....The entire basis for miracles of Jesus rests on the his familial divinity. Since there is no verifiable existential evidence for the god of Abraham, Jesus is not the son of a god.
2....There is no verifiable evidence for miracles, paranormal, or the supernatural. There are million $ awards offered for proof of miracles and paranormal which have not been awarded. When someone does prove it, it will be all over news media.
3....There are many claims for 'miracles' claimed by other gods and messiahs long before biblical writers ' borrowed' the those myths. For instance, ancient Egyptian myths are full of miracles. The Jesus myth is second to the last messiah in a long list of would be worldly saviors.
- James Shiers
- Elaine Holt
The “book” wasn’t a book until 382 AD.
Until then it was OT prophecy that Greeks also took an interest in by translating the Septuagint, then at the appearance of the historical Jesus, eyewitness accounts by traditional Jews of unexplainable supernatural events, deep moral teachings, a claim to fulfillment of Hebrew scriptural covenant, and “man”ifestation of claims they would not immediately comprehend.
It would require the metanoia of a renowned persecuting, murdering Pharisee writing (at least) 16 letters to early ecclesia to fully detail the meaning of the resurrection event.
The resurrection event was so powerfully evident that the closest eyewitnesses gave up traditional Jewish beliefs, left or were booted from the synagogue lives and sought to relay their experience by traveling to spread the “good news” (Grk: Gospel) at the expense of being mocked, beaten, tortured and killed by some who would label them atheists for refusing to address Caesar as a god.
They called themselves “followers of the way” however Rome sought to mock the growing group of believers in the sincerity of the followers and the alignment of scriptural prophecy to the event by naming them “Christians “.
An embarrassing abundance of first century manuscripts (5600+ Koine Greek and 15,000+ in other languages of the day, of firsthand Jewish witnesses; then writings of secular and even hostile persons of note such as Tacitus, Suetonius, Pliny, Josephus, and others testify to the veracity of the event.
If such information were demanded of George Washington’s existence he wouldn’t qualify.
The OT writings, with narrative, prophecy, and typographies are confirmed by the Dead Sea scrolls, providentially discovered after the Third Reich was dispatched, and authenticated to have been copied roughly 200 years BC.
Order and occurrence of these events defy random chance and offer a complete explanation to homo sapien sapien’s (thinking man’s) earliest and long standing existential questions of origin, meaning and destiny. The Bible unabashedly claims “truth” and is found to demonstrate it among many today.
Which is the reason the “book” is the longest running best seller in human history.
- Elaine Holt
- James Shiers .... All of your comment is interesting however, it does not address my claim of the book being full of contradictions, fallacies, superstitions, and myths from earlier cultures. The bible is therefore not a reliable source for 'truth'.
Your assertion that the bible is the largest selling book in history has no bearing on the lack of evidence for its claims or lack of truth. Several thousand years ago, everybody in the world 'knew' the earth was flat and sun circled the flat earth.
The writers of the books of the canon are in question even by biblical scollars. There are no original scripts; and it has been edited more than 15 times. The King James committee of reviewers who translated the book (around 1600CE), was then again modified by the king BC some of the passages that didn't suit his biases. And, there has been even another translation of the king James version since more of the scriptures have been found offensive to the powers that be.
So, none of your comment addressed the issues I opened, but I do respect your attempt to try.
I don't believe I mentioned that biblical scriptures testify that the unproven god of Abraham sanctioned every atrocity known to man onto the humans he claimed to 'love'. Maybe we can discuss morality later.
- Hans-Georg Lundahl
- Elaine Holt "Disagree."
You know what? You have still not traced his exotic world view with ten dimensions (if I added up together) to the Bible.
"Several thousand years ago, everybody in the world 'knew' the earth was flat and sun circled the flat earth."
For Sun circling, along with the universe, each day, counter to the zodiac, each year, you have not disproven.
If everyone in the time and region when most OT books (prior to Maccabees, for instance) were written were Flat Earth, isn't it a little miracle in itself that this doesn't in any way shape or form show up clearly in any of those texts?
"my claim of the book being full of contradictions, fallacies, superstitions, and myths from earlier cultures."
Feel free to name some. You already mentioned Flat Earth, which isn't there, and Geocentrism, which you haven't disproven.
"There are no original scripts; and it has been edited more than 15 times."
Not serially, but in parallel. King James, I'm against, as it is Protestant, groups books and book parts as "apocrypha" and above all mistranslates Matthew 6:7 with "vain repetitions" that's not what battalogein means.
