Willam P. Lazarus Pretended the Eucharist was known in BC times

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Kit Cronebaugh in Christian History and Archaeology

29 septembre shared:

ANCIENT MANUSCRIPT SHOWS DOCTRINE OF COMMUNION

A 1,500-year-old fragment of Greek papyrus with writing that refers to the biblical Last Supper and "manna from heaven" may be one of the oldest Christian amulets, say researchers. The fragment was likely folded up and worn inside a locket or pendant as a sort of protective charm, according to Roberta Mazza, who spotted the papyrus while looking through thousands of papyri kept in the library vault at the John Rylands Research Institute at the University of Manchester in the United Kingdom.

"This is an important and unexpected discovery as it's one of the first recorded documents to use magic in the Christian context and the first charm ever found to refer to the Eucharist — the Last Supper — as the manna of the Old Testament," Mazza said in a statement. The fragment likely originated in a town in Egypt.

The translated text on the papyrus reads:

"Fear you all who rule over the earth.

Know you nations and peoples that Christ is our God.

For he spoke and they came to being, he commanded and they were created; he put everything under our feet and delivered us from the wish of our enemies.

Our God prepared a sacred table in the desert for the people and gave manna of the new covenant to eat, the Lord's immortal body and the blood of Christ poured for us in remission of sins."

'DOUBLY FASCINATING'

On one side, it has a combination of biblical passages from the books of Psalms and Matthew, while on the other is part of a receipt for payment of grain tax.
Dr Mazza said the amulet maker "would have cut a piece of the receipt, written the charm on the other side and then folded the papyrus to be kept in a locket".
She said the use of written charms was an ancient Egyptian practice, which was adopted by early Christians, who replaced prayers to Egyptian and Greco-Roman gods with passages from the Bible.

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[Willam P. Lazarus]

Shucks, Cicero refers to communion about 50 years before Jesus was born. "Eating" the blood and body of a god was a common ritual in pagan times.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Yeah, how about exact quote, I am a Latinist and am able to judge that ...

[Willam P. Lazarus]

He said: anyone who takes bread and wine and thinks he is eating a god is an idiot. That was decades before Jesus.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Exact quote = what book, chapter and paragraph by Cicero.

It's like claiming "the Bible says 'God helps them who help themselves' " and not giving the reference to II Opinions (Kent Hovind's favourite reference to fake Bible quotes). Now, try again, what book by Cicero, and if you like, give the quote in Latin.

Legi enim eius opus De Amicitia ad Laelium, et latinitas eius, quamvis difficilior ea quae Thomae Aquinatis sit, mihi possibilis est lectu.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Come on, it's not like asking you to recite a work in Etruscan, here is the list of Cicero's works:

Writings of Cicero - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writings_of_Cicero

Bc, if you don't know which work by him, chances are you are repeating an urban legend about him. Like the other urban legend repeated by Acharya Sanning that Varro would have known about Jesus but conspicuously didn't. In fact he died in 4 AD.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Look, I did a ctrl F search of occurrence on the page for "anyone who takes bread and wine and thinks he is eating a god" on this English translation of De Natura Deorum:

LacusCurtius • Cicero — De Natura Deorum I.1‑19
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Roman/Texts/Cicero/de_Natura_Deorum/1A*.html

[Willam P. Lazarus] - either your quote was not verbatim, or it was from another work, or ... sad to state such a suspicion, but not totally surprised after looking at your book against Christianity ... you are promoting an urban legend (or even worse, invented it yourself). So, where is the quote you gave from? I am not requiring you to dig up Sumerian clay tablets, it's as easy as asking about a fake Bible quote what book, chapter and verse you find it in the Bible!

I mean, in his book The Gospel Truth, he pretended to be knowledgeable on 1:st Centuries both BC and AD. Now, he is on three separate days challenged to provide the reference for a pretended quote from Cicero and the last of these days is now 3 days ago, it looks like he is less knowledgeable than he claimed.

He should not have tried to pull this one on a Latinist ...