Pious Fideist (pseudonym "Blind Grappler") ... attacking Rational Apologetics

Blind Grappler

The greatest evidence of the Bible is the people that follow it. Jesus said for us to be the light of the world and to be holy for I am holy, was also stated by the apostle Peter.Paul stated, present your bodies a living sacrifice and that you were bought with a price. Jesus Christ is a testimony to us, therefore we will be a testimony of him. Archaeology and history matters, but not as much as what God demands. Atheist will find a way to twist the greatest findings we have and will find that truly do prove the Bible. The greatest evidence you could dig up in their minds would be Jesus Christ dead bones, even if we found an original manuscript, they would say it must be corrupted. In conclusion, the Bible and everyone of you are the greatest testimonies to God, including the people digging up all these findings. God bless all of you.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Look here, all this may be fine and dandy, but this group is for those (whether believers or the group you described) who are interested in archaeology and history.

Blind Grappler

Hans-Georg Lundahl The Bible itself claims to be hope for evidence of things that are unseen not for things that are seen and I am interested in all of this but if you follow what I was saying closely I’m talking about from a nonbelieving perspective the greatest apologetic is the Bible and its testimony through you

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Now faith is the substance of things to be hoped for, the evidence of things that appear not."
[Hebrews 11:1]

Now, the Bible is not restricted to faith in this sense, but also involves rational arguments to accept the faith - and no, this verse does not mean there cannot be any.

Blind Grappler

But it does hoist the word of God above everything else I feel like you guys are arguing against this in this post if Christians don’t submit to the authority of scripture as above all who does

And atheist could argue your position alongside with you, does this not bother you? I promise you this though, they could not argue my position alongside with me. That’s far more massively important, you guys are definitely missing the point and this raises a lot of concern with the true intention behind all these studies from the mini

Read what I wrote in this post and read with all you’ve guys have wrote in this post and then make that comparison could an atheist say the same thing as I am saying am I being too logical do I have zero spirituality to my Christianity, and if I’m right you need to rethink your strategy with all this the right approach is always the word of God first

I’m not arguing against archaeology and history I’m arguing against the lack of continuity between the old and the new testament proving the New Testament with the Old Testament and that being top priority and the number one true apologetic

You might be saved just by simply believing but if that belief doesn’t regenerate you or change you for the better by focusing on the perfect law of God and you’re claiming that it’s OK to do evil so that good may come in like Paul says surely not I think all this comes from a lack of obedience to the word of God

We are not meant to write down in our minds and out of our mouth no one‘s right now not one and just forget about it all and say I’m a believer we are meant to be holy set apart servants of the most high God

But no let’s argue with a guy like me and Claire obedience and the word is secondary and we need to go dig up bury treasure our faith is underneath the sand somewhere and God just didn’t preserve what is important at our disposal, Surely not

If we elevate findings on the same level as the Bible then we might as well be Roman Catholics and call these finding sacraments

Hans-Georg Lundahl

First of all, I am a Roman Catholic and think sacraments are MORE important to the single Christian than Bible text.

Second, I don't do that. I don't call the findings sacraments.

Third, it doesn't matter that the business of this group is less important than something else, it still is the business of this group. I am not here to get the sacraments, I am not hear to get the Bible readings in Holy Mass, I am here to get archaeological support or at worst purported refutations to refute in my turn about the Catholic faith.

If I want to commune with God, I go elsewhere, and not to you, since you are not even Catholic, Blind Grappler!

Blind Grappler "And atheist could argue your position alongside with you, does this not bother you?"

I don't think an atheist would argue my position that Ipuwer papyrus supports Exodus and it being previous to Hyksos invasion, nor my position that Hungere Stele argues reality of Joseph in Egypt.

I don't think an atheist would argue my position that Moses wrote the Penteteuch and that lack of Torah's from 1510 BC doesn't matter, nor my position that Gilgamesh and Atrahasis are perhaps only decades earlier than this.

I also don't think he would argue my position that carbon date 40 000 BP = real date 2957 BC, Flood of Noah, nor that the carbon dates 9600 and 8600 BC, surrounding Göbekli Tepe (lowest and highest levels) correspond not too far from real dates 350 and 401 years after the Flood, as death of Noah and birth of Peleg surround Babel.

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But on certain matters where my position would be held along me by atheists, no, that doesn't bother me.

What's wrong is not agreeing with one specific enemy of the faith on one or even more than one issue, what's wrong is disagreeing with Bible, Tradition, infallible Magisterium on even one single issue.