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Alien Star : 20,000 Year Old Sumerian Tablets Tell the Real Genesis of Human Race
Published on March 14, 2019
http://newsinstact.com/alien/20000-year-old-sumerian-tablets-tells-the-real-genesis-of-human-race/


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JP
before poo pooing this 20,000 year old tablet as being false.. check out the helicopter, rocket etc

HGL
How do they prove the tablet 20,000 years old?

Indeed, how does anything prove it so?

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This was never answered. The article says:

Sumerian clay tablets are dated at least 20,000 years old and say a different story to what we know but have similarities to Bible creationism.


But that is all it says, not one word about what dating method.

It involves a video which also said nothing about dating method, but mentions that historians have found linguistic discrepancies in the tablets (i e as I suppose could be a forgery which was made recently by someone mixing Sumerian from different epochs - like a German text showing both vil (Medieval) and viel (Modern) or both scrîben (Medieval) and schreiben (Modern) or sth like that). In fact, that could be an argument for the Sumerian text (if such) being from the years c. 1800 BC to 1st C BC (or even 1st C AD) in which Sumerian only survived as a Classical language. Some learner may have mixed Sumerian forms from different epochs, as someone could have mixed forms from Plautus with forms from St. Gregory of Tours. But such a clumsy learner is of course even likelier in modern times, when he would have no one to check his Sumerian for him.

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LF
That's probably the genesis of "certain" people. The fact the article says European and semetic scientists agree, yet they consulted no non-Caucasian about any part of this theory reveals exactly who's narrative and origin was actually being sought. The rest of us are simply supposed to accept their findings "real or imagined" as DIVINE INSIGHT and unbiased scientific observation? No..we've made that assumption far too many times in the past and that led to the exclusion of contributions made by other ethnic groups and their importance to civilization at large.

HGL
"yet they consulted no non-Caucasian about any part of this theory"

How many Asiatic, African, even Near East scholars have been consulted and come to another conclusion?

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JB
Sitchin was a Science Fiction writer and could read Sumerian as well as me. Stop believing this nonsense when the actual stories are themselves are fabulous and very revealing about our early civilisations. The Epic of Gilgamesh is way older than academia would have you believe, first written down 5000 years ago.

JS
JB I have talked to Sitchin's niece personally, as well as, a couple of friends of Sitchin's who are also now deceased. He was not what you say he was. He could and did translate the Tablets.

Both Mauro Biglino and Alessandro Demontis (ancient Semitic language experts) say Sitchin was right. Biglino was handpicked by the Vatican out of hundreds to do their translations. When Biglino was giving his presentation, they told him to stop. He was evicted from the holy city. They did not like what they were hearing.

So please, quit spreading false statements. Sitchin did translate the Tablets.

HGL
" When Biglino was giving his presentation, they told him to stop. He was evicted from the holy city. They did not like what they were hearing."

Perhaps you are the guy spreading false statements, especially since I am saying "spreading" and not accusing you of lying.

Biglino can have been as much of a fraud as Alberto Rivera.

JS
Hans-Georg Lundahl He was handpicked out of hundreds of people on the Vatican's list to do their translations. He can be seen on YouTube schooling Rabbis, Priests, and Imams. Fraud? I don't think so.

HGL
Can you show a document from the Vatican stating they handpicked him?

In Finland, there are very good Sumerologists, do you have any of these recommending Mauro Bigliono?

When youtubes with Mauro Biglino feature him "schooling" rabbis, priests, imams, have you seen how rabbis, priests and imams respond or is he only doing so at distance?

JS
Hans-Georg Lundahl Look it up lazy. He is debating them in front of an audience.

HGL
The linguistic and philological knowledge acquired through the study of Hebrew Masoretic manuscripts, as well as his knowledge of Latin and Greek , allowed Biglino to work as a translator for Edizioni San Paolo, the Vatican publishing house that eventually published 17 books from the Ancient Testament including Biglino’s interlinear literal translations from the Stuttgartensia Bible.


I am not disputing he has knowledge of Hebrew, btw, and technically he has a point that elohim is plural.

However, another Hebrew scholar has noted this:

These scholars appear to have overlooked the fact that Elohim, when it is intended to mean the singular Creator God and when it is a subject, is always accompanied by a singular verb-form. It may be referred to by singular or plural pronouns. In respect of the pronouns, it remains ambivalent, but this very fact implies a semantic tri-unity.


https://creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j09_1/j09_1_42-44.pdf

bə·rê·šîṯ  Prep‑b | N‑fs
bā·rā  V‑Qal‑Perf‑3ms
’ĕ·lō·hîm  N‑mp


If "elohim" simply meant "gods" here, why is "bara" in 3rd person masculine singular?

Genesis 1 Interlinear Bible
https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/1.htm


"He is debating them in front of an audience."

I get more than one hit with Biglino on youtube, but none which fits "debates priest".

JS
Hans-Georg Lundahl Do your own homework Hans. It's on there. Have fun.

HGL
"homework" is one thing, but you claimed sth which is not to be found.

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LM
Still wonder why Iraq was destroyed by US-israeli terrorism?

JP
LM Thanks to the internet and at times live stream technology The World is becoming fully aware of the Game. During the Night that Riots erupted in Egypt.. Something VERY STRANGE WAS HAPPENING AT THE BACK OF THE SPHINX. The film was taken from a distance and then enhanced but images of highly organised activity removing big boxes of something in large trucks was overseen by many soldiers (non egyptian) by their clothes... They made a big mistake not putting a silent mode black ops copter up with night googles... The film of the event went out. One-two weeks later? ... Page not found ha ha ha ha ha ha.

HGL
JP If this was really online and no one took copies, that would be somewhat strange.

Often an interesting thing gets online, and before it's deleted, people take back up copies.

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TR
Sitchin was a 33 degree mason. Nothing but part of the evolutionists plan.

HGL
Interesting to know.


In fact I do not know he was a 33 Degree Mason, but I have a hunch he was Jewish by origins : he was born in Russian Empire and moved as a child to Mandatory Palestine. Later he moved to New York.

Sitchin was born in Baku, Azerbaijan SSR and raised in Mandatory Palestine. He received a degree in economics from the University of London, and was an editor and journalist in Mandatory Palestine (which in 1948 became the modern state of Israel), before moving to New York in 1952.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zecharia_Sitchin

I recall his having moved to New York as a child, but that could theoretically be bad memory? Or it could be wikipedia changed.

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