On marital age

MC

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MTV needs to stop doing TV shows like 16 & Pregnant & start doing shows like 18 & Graduate & 21 and successful

HGL

16 and pregnant is not a problem - if there is a husband, 16 or otherwise, who can be a breadwinner.

MC

Hans do you have any daughters friend.....this is a seminal change in perspective.

KK

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HGL

I have neither sons nor daughters, people who have been so concerned about my sometime interest in girls under 18 have contributed to prolonging my celibacy.

But considering "16 and pregnant" a type of problem a husband can't overcome as problem has highly contributed to the culture of abortion, contraception, and pre-marital sex we are all sad about (insofar as we are decent).

"Each episode follows a period in the life of a teenager as she navigates the bumpy terrain of adolescence, growing pains, rebellion and coming of age -- all while dealing with being pregnant."

In absence of husbands capable of properly providing for these teens, perhaps getting attention from that show is one way of dealing with that situation.

Considering some of what I saw on the preview of certain episodes : NOT at all positive that it is a very good one.

Two relationships between parents broken down.

MT

W.T.F.

MC

MT exactly!!!!

ZPD

Hans-Georg Lundahl Being 16 and pregnant, and mentioning a husband who is 16?...is a problem. Both are children trying to raise children. Do these pregnancies occur?...yes, and they need support and more often than not the mother and father do not stay together. If in fact the father is q much older adult, it is rape, regardless of the legal age law. We do not live in biblical times.

Hans-Georg Lundahl Your “sometime interest in girls under 18?” I’d be gravely concerned too. Why that in itself has anything to do with your celibacy is scary.

Hans-Georg Lundahl Are you saying that show is one way to bring the attention of older men to provide for them? If so, all that is doing is taking advantage of their circumstances and in some cases desperation if they don’t have adequate support from their parents unless I misunderstood what you meant.

HGL

ZPD "Both are children "

When you are able, under anatomically normal conditions, not prcocious puberty, to make babies, you are no longer a child.

"Your “sometime interest in girls under 18?” I’d be gravely concerned too. Why that in itself has anything to do with your celibacy is scary."

You mean it's scary how much power women with your Communist indoctrination have been able to exercise by slander?

"Are you saying that show is one way to bring the attention of older men to provide for them?"

Older men or age peers.

Both is OK.

"If so, all that is doing is taking advantage of their circumstances and in some cases desperation if they don’t have adequate support from their parents unless I misunderstood what you meant."

Or from the boyfriend?

Who, under your modern conditions (I live in them too, but I don't solidarise with them!) are impeded from being breadwinners.

Not bc they are children, but bc people like you agree with each other to treat them like that.

ZPD

Hans-Georg Lundahl First I don’t agree, some 12 year olds can have babies. Being able to get pregnant as a “child” doesn’t make her a woman any more than a “boy’s” ability to make a female pregnant makes him a man. That is ludicrous.

Some cultures force young girls to marry men 3 or more times their age. Disgusting.

“Communist indoctrination”?

Sir, children are children, plain a simple, having barely lived a life to know who they are let alone what they want and what love is. If a much older man has the attraction for “children” that is nothing more than a pedophile and if a man has interest to be with even a woman who can be his daughter or younger, that is for sexual gratification and generally her acceptance of him is for financial gain and stability. Both unhealthy motivations.

Hey, I have an idea, teach the young to respect their bodies and at the time of adult maturity choose a partner who they can live their life with and not most likely end up being a nurse or an early widow, raising kids without a father.

HGL

"First I don’t agree, some 12 year olds can have babies."

About half [of them], this means a girl of 12 is not a child.

"Being able to get pregnant as a “child” doesn’t make her a woman any more than a “boy’s” ability to make a female pregnant makes him a man. That is ludicrous."

Biology defining age limits and gender is ludicrous, right?

How LGBTQ are you about the other item?

"Some cultures force young girls to marry men 3 or more times their age. Disgusting."

Forced marriage is disgusting regardless the age relation.

Some girls do, some girls don't find marrying a 3 times older man disgusting, the personal choice should be respected.

FURTHER, you are focussing on the case of the husband and breadwinner being older.

I mentioned both cases.

ZPD

Hans-Georg Lundahl And again your statement that your sometimes interest in “”””” girls”””” under 18 ( when you are 68) has contributed to your celibacy only indicates a twisted view and is surprising if you are a Christ follower and even without that have an decent morals.

If my daughter at 18 or even older was being pursued by a man at 68, he’d know me very well and he wouldn’t like what I had to say to him. It’s perverted on all counts.

HGL

"Sir, children are children, plain a simple, having barely lived a life to know who they are let alone what they want and what love is."

Maam, there are definitely girls and boys you call children, whose hormones shout the opposite to them, till they go wrong. Some do suicide, some sodomy, some murder, and Klebold combined murder and suicide.

He would perhaps have done better if given an opportunity to be a breadwinner, therefore also a husband and father before going to Columbine High that year.

"And again your statement that your sometimes interest in “”””” girls”””” under 18 ( when you are 68) has contributed to your celibacy"

You are reading with hysteric incoherence.

I am 50, I was born 1968.

The girl I am into now is not under 18 (as far as she told me).

The time I was into a girl under 15 I was under 30.

People like you have been tracking me for 20 years to make me submit to your idiotic prejudice before stopping to protect ADULT girls against me.

"It’s perverted on all counts."

I wonder who invented that one? When?

"If a much older man has the attraction for “children” that is nothing more than a pedophile and if a man has interest to be with even a woman who can be his daughter or younger, that is for sexual gratification and generally her acceptance of him is for financial gain and stability. Both unhealthy motivations"

Neither is, within proper limits, an unhealthy motivation.

Your consideration is Puritan, it is forbidding to marry, because you heed doctrines of evil spirits. You are proving we live in the last days.

"Hey, I have an idea, teach the young to respect their bodies and at the time of adult maturity choose a partner who they can live their life with and not most likely end up being a nurse or an early widow, raising kids without a father."

Early widows with children often have no trouble getting stepfathers for them.

Besides, you have insulted more than one good family by your observation, certainly the parents of St Francis of Sales, possibly the Holy Family (according to the version of St. Joseph being an elderly widower), fairly certainly as well the ancestry of king David (reread the book of Ruth) and God knows how many more.

ZPD

Hans-Georg Lundahl Man, in your world 1/2 the population of “children” would be having sex just because they have reached the age of puberty and you forget all of the evil in the world which bombards males with sexual images and temptation and the pressure on young girls to believe they need to be sexy by wearing immodest clothing in or see to be attractive. If that’s not all worldly thinking and driven my the flesh alone I don’t know what is.

How LGBTQ am I about the other item? No idea what you’re talking about. I am called by God to love all people but recognize sin against God.

HGL

PLUS, as I think you live in Illinois, I think you should think some on where it leads to say a pregnant 13 year old is "a child":

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2018/12/31/abortion-leading-cause-of-death-in-2018-with-41-million-killed/

"1/2 the population of “children” would be having sex just because they have reached the age of puberty and you forget all of the evil in the world which bombards males with sexual images and temptation and the pressure on young girls to believe they need to be sexy by wearing immodest clothing in or see to be attractive."

YET another reason to not make marriage inaccessible for young adults.

PLUS I also oppose the kind of juridic or de facto school obligations which expose young students to temptations they would not have in their home's culture.

"I am called by God to love all people but recognize sin against God."

Yes, and it is sin against our Creator to call a man a woman, a woman a man, or an adult a child (as you do).

Or vice versa, as real child molesters do.

ZPD

I correct my calculation of your age but it’s here not there. 30 interested in a 15 year old girl? There is a good reason why people have been tracking you.

Yes, there is definitely elements of perversion in your mind and perversion is real, not some made up idea and you’re right, I do believe “girls” could definitely use protection against you as you sound more like a predator?

What do you think causes you from the age of 30 and even now, want to be with girls or young women and not be interested in women closer to your age?

Without a doubt we don’t agree are MANY levels except that I do believe we are in the last of days and may the Lord have mercy on us.

I also know that abortion is murder but I do not know the statistics of the numbers of abortions that have taken place where the mother is under the age of 18. The fact we have abortions is not because of ages, but because we live in a fallen world.

Do really believe allowing “children” to get married is going to improve ANYTHING? It would only add to the financial strain of raising a family with limited earning capabilities, most likely also increase divorce rates.

Physical maturity and emotional maturely are entirely 2 different things but I am going to discontinue conversing with you as you weren’t even able to answer my simple question regarding your long term age preference.

Perhaps you are unable to look at the truth.

And God chose to bless many in the Bible even when they were sinning but their sin was not without consequences and God’s purposes were within His knowledge of what would bring glory to His Kingdom.

Bless all the children who have to grow up in a sinful world and the adults who are held more accountable for their decisions.

HGL

"30 interested in a 15 year old girl? There is a good reason why people have been tracking you."

No.

"Yes, there is definitely elements of perversion in your mind and perversion is real, not some made up idea and you’re right, I do believe “girls” could definitely use protection against you as you sound more like a predator?"

You know, you are again sounding like believing doctrines of evil spirits. Forbidding marriage. Are you enforcing veganism too?

No, bc the devil can put one part of it here, another part of it there and then if both get mainsrteam, it coalesces.

"What do you think causes you from the age of 30 and even now, want to be with girls or young women and not be interested in women closer to your age?"

Not in women my age? Climacterium.

That bars childbearing.

"Do really believe allowing “children” to get married is going to improve ANYTHING? It would only add to the financial strain of raising a family with limited earning capabilities, most likely also increase divorce rates."

I don't believe in predictions.

Girls are aborting NOW because they are being told "you are a child, you are too young to be a mother, you are too young to marry". Girls were NOT aborting before, when most countries 18 was not the age limit. (First state : Italy, next one for girls : Soviet Union).

"Physical maturity and emotional maturely are entirely 2 different things"

That is accusing our creator of being our tempter, when modern society is.

[Plus it's LGBTQ : it's saying biology is defined by psychology.]

ZPD

Hans-Georg Lundahl I could continue debating with you but it would be foolishness. Being so bent on others agreeing that you be in relationships with girls and not seeing that the desire you have is motivated by the flesh as wrong with no concern for them says a lot right there and I’m believing doctrine of evil spirits? God help you.

HGL

"Being so bent on others agreeing that you be in relationships with girls"

Not "agreeing". Ceasing to actively prevent.

Hence the reference to "forbid marriage". In Timothy.

HGL

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"Being so bent on others agreeing"

Who has been bent over this discussion? I enunciated a general principle, your attitude brought up bad memories.

You have been taking initiatives to demonise me over this, that or sundry you imagine as you indulge in the divinatory art (perhaps directly aided by evil spirits, probablier simply zealot over doctrines ultimately from them via evil men a few decades ago)

"that you be in relationships with girls"

Relationships? I am looking for marriage.

"and not seeing that the desire you have is motivated by the flesh"

Who the Hell told you it is wrong to seek marriage because one's desire is carnal? That is another doctrine of evil spirits.

"as wrong with no concern for them"

I suppose you meant "is wrong" etc.

What concern I have or have not is perhaps not your concern so long as you indulge in hysteria motivated by your Communist doctrines inspired by Hell.

I respect what you have to say on Otorhinolaryngology, if anything, but you need to read up on Gynaecology and DITCH Psychology.

Believing modern psychology (when it gives you divinatory "insights" as those you have on me) is believing doctrines of evil spirits, besides you are showing forth the Biblical identification of such, by your concern to forbid marriages.

ZPD

I thank God he has allowed this prevention of you being with girls.

I have NO doubt your motivation to be with them is not Godly.

HGL

Oh, you thank "God" for the devil's works?

HGL

MC, I saw you liked her comment, if that's how you feel, no need to be friends.