Not Very Eager to Engage with me, Are They?

Richard Swindell

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Does the Bible make it plain that the earth was created in a single week, about 6,000 years ago? Yes, it does.

Genesis 2: 1-3 2 Thus the heavens and the earth were FINISHED and ALL THE HOST OF THEM. 2 And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. 3 So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation.

Exodus 20: 11 For in six days the Lord made HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM, and rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.

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Ken Wolgemuth

No it doesn't. Verses 1 and 2 come before Day 1. Verses about trees and vegetation read, "Let the earth bring forth.". That' sounds like the trees are going to grow. It does not say that God "created" the trees, but He told the earth to let the trees grow ("bring forth").

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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You are forgetting what God told Moses.

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Matthew Hunt

The bible claims a great deal of many things. Some of which are true, as compared to other sources. Some of which is false, from science and historical archaeology and some that cannot be confirmed, even in principle.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Matthew Hunt "Some of which is false, from science and historical archaeology"

You know we disagree on this one. We can leave it aside from now.

"and some that cannot be confirmed, even in principle."

If you mean things like "God revealed X to Y in a vision" we can in principle check biographies of any given Y to see if his miracles (including things in visions later confirmed in events) confirm that it was God who was giving him the vision. Which, if true, confirms X.

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Thomas Pringle

Absolutely! The only way to believe otherwise is to don the same blinders that secular scientists use.

Matthew Hunt

Thomas, blinders?

Thomas Pringle

Matthew Hunt Those who deny the infallibility of the bible are wearing blinders. I had those blinders on until I was 42.

Matthew Hunt

Thomas, I think you mean "objectivity". If you don't have objectivity(which YECs don't) then it is impossible to fully analyse the universe we inhabit.

Thomas Pringle

Matthew Hunt That's what happens when you have blinders on. You redefine the terms to fit your worldview.

Matthew Hunt

Thomas, we KNOW stuff in the bible is wrong. we KNOW how effective science is as it feeds into engineering and medicine. Science is independent of worldview, that much is obvious I think.

Thomas Pringle

Matthew Hunt Blinders have convinced you to ignore all the lies that scientists tell so you are comfortable with your worldview. By your own confession, you are admitting your own problem by saying the word, "I think". It can't be obvious if you have to say the words, "I think".

Matthew Hunt

Thomas

"Blinders have convinced you to ignore all the lies that scientists tell so you are comfortable with your worldview."

No. Science is inserted into my worldview, not the other way around. I explained how we know science works.

"By your own confession"

I made no confession, that's gaslighting on your part.

Fundamentalism is a mind virus.

Thomas Pringle

Matthew Hunt "Science is independent of worldview, that much is obvious I think". This saying actually proves my point. I would like to thank you for at least being civil in your comments. Thank you for your time.

Matthew Hunt

Thomas, this demonstrates your deep misunderstanding of science.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Matthew Hunt "we KNOW how effective science is as it feeds into engineering and medicine."

The parts that feed into engineering and medicine are not the parts that tell some that the Bible is wrong.

Making it one single thing is an error called "reification" ... look it up.

Seems both Ken Wolgemuth and Matthew Hunt, a more or less liberal (certainly not Fundamentalist) Christian, an Atheist, found it less than nice to come up with answers to what I had replied them.