He Used Geocentrism as Example of a Wrong Scientific Consensus

He Used Geocentrism as Example of a Wrong Scientific Consensus · Heliocentrism, No Thanks!

Not Robert Bennett, he started the thread correctly. But someone else. A new acquaintance.

Robert Bennett

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Is it really a stumbling block to the Gospel, as OEC's claim, to reject science that is taught as fact in all colleges and universities across the world?

Michael Head

Colleges and universities used to teach the sun revolved around the earth. Was it true just because it was taught somewhere?

Robert Bennett

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Michael Head it's worse than even that today. They are teaching that men can have babies and that humans evovled over millions of years from ape-like creatures.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Michael Head What's your exact problem with God turning the Universe around the Earth each day?

Seems to be St. Paul's apologetics for God's existance and qualities in Romans 1.

18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and injustice of those men that detain the truth of God in injustice: 19 Because that which is known of God is manifest in them. For God hath manifested it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him, from the creation of the world, are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made; his eternal power also, and divinity: so that they are inexcusable.

He wasn't speaking of the flagellum of the bacteria. Those have not been visible since creation, since microscopes, at least post-Flood, are a fairly recent thing and were not around in the 1st C. AD.

Why "from heaven"? Well, perhaps because we see precisely heaven revolve around us.

Michael Head

Hans-Georg Lundahl reeeealy missing the point….

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Michael Head "Colleges and universities used to teach the sun revolved around the earth."

OK, you meant it as an ad homines, those who disagree with Geocentrism should look out better next time that someone claims one should go with mainstream science. Right?

Given some Geocentrics are actually on your board, would it not be somewhat more delicate to avoid infighting to take advances we actually agree on, like Harvey proved the pulse was not a movement of air and that blood was not stationary in the body (apart from wounds).

Or did you mean St. Paul's point? I don't think so, prove me wrong, if that's what you meant.

Michael Head

Hans-Georg Lundahl still absolutely missing the point.

And apparently also missing that the Bible doesn’t teach geocentrism.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Joshua 10:12.

Note. Verse 13 is a description of what happened, it could be construed as phenomenal language.

Verse 12. Joshua first prayed to God and then gave an order to what miraculously stopped. It was not the "rotation of the earth" he adressed.

I think I do have kind of a point in this context. On this issue, you are modernists like OECs. And if your example was meant to adress a mistake they make in a way they could understand, how about using Harvey's blood circulation next time?

Michael Head

Hans-Georg Lundahl I guess you don’t know about the countries that recorded a long night in history, too.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Did you take my remark as some kind of doubts on Joshua's long day?

I have calculated the exact geographic point where long day and long night would meet, it was in East China. So, logically some people in China would have had differring opinions on what it was, but the conflict was resolved, those having observed a long night simply went further East, to Japan, perhaps even to the Americas.

No, I am not a scoffer.

I am a Geocentric. Unlike TST, I am not doing publicity stunts to provoke Christians.

If Church Fathers and Scholastics agree that the Earth stands still and it was Sun and Moon that stopped, that's good enough for me. MY suspicions go to the contrary narrative, like how Heliocentrism is supposed to be a proven fact. Especially since a day in 2001 (23rd of August, I noted the following day as St. Bartholomew's Feast), when someone gave me the Distant Starlight Problem ... all the problems start when between December and June or January and July we are supposed to have a known distance involved in the triangle of Earth, Star, one body moving. If Earth moves around the Sun, we do have one known distance, twice the Astronomic Unit, and its end points are two positions of Earth. If Sun moves around the Zodiac, the twice the Astronomic Unit is instead about the Sun, which is not involved in the triangle Earth viewing two positions of the star.

I see no moment in history when Heliocentrism went from unproven to proven. It is still unproven, and it is, worse, against the Bible.

On your view, Joshua spoke on God's behalf to work a miracle, after praying, and expressed himself in a manner confused about what the miracle would involve. Could Jesus have been confused when He "thought He" drove out demons too? No. I believe demons exist, and so I also believe Joshua, inspired after his prayer to God, knew exactly what it was he adressed on the long day.

Especially as Jesus and Joshua, in Hebrew as in Greek, are namesakes:

Yeshua (ha Meshiakh) ~ Yoshua (Ben Nun).
IHCOYC (O XPICTOC) ~ IHCOYC (NAYH).

That's why I referred to verse 12.