Mark Shea's Post and My Comments + Debate

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Mark Shea

linked to his post

Hans-Georg Lundahl / HGL

linked to my answer

FT and HS

are two people who visited the FB page of Mark Shea and who commented under my link.

FT

Hans-Georg Lundahl You do know that a “Catholic Fundamentalist “ is a contemporary creative fiction, right? There is nothing in the catechism or Sacred Tradition that requires Catholics to be “fundamentalist.” Just like there is no doctrine that requires a belief in creationism.

HS

Hans-Georg Lundahl:
FT is correct, and so is Pope Francis. You put yourself outside Catholic Church teaching if you *require* a specific, literal reading of Genesis.

HGL

// There is nothing in the catechism or Sacred Tradition that requires Catholics to be “fundamentalist.” Just like there is no doctrine that requires a belief in creationism. //

If by "the Catechism" you refer to the non-Catholic work by Wojtyla / Ratzinger from the nineties, I couldn't care less.

If you look up Catechism of Pope St Pius X (including the short work "brief history of the sacred religion") or any older Catechisms and some somewhat younger, there clearly is.

Tradition means things like St Augstine and St Thomas Aquinas. The latter had sworn an oath on upholding three works - one of which is Historia Scholastica, which is a YEC work. De Civitate Dei is also a very clearly YEC work.

Doctrine, does Trent count?

New blog on the kid : Grammatica et Logica de Canone Celeberrimo Concilii Tridentini
http://nov9blogg9.blogspot.com/2014/07/grammatica-et-logica-de-canone.html

Plus, you are both very evasive of the Bible texts on which I commented in polemics to Mark Shea's spurious claim.

// You put yourself outside Catholic Church teaching if you *require* a specific, literal reading of Genesis. //

Very interesting idea on what it means to be Catholic, these days.

And isn't one or two prominent figures, like Mark Shea and "Pope Francis" actually requiring the avoidance of that literal one?

It so happens, I found the dialogue invisible when checking back and reposted the link under a previous, which I commented on in the PPS - and no dialogue there./HGL