Protestantism Is Wrong

Rob Bennett

Star contributor

17.XII.2024

Awesome point made by John MacArthur. OCE's proclaim the "wisdom" of men, while Biblical creationists proclaim the wisdom of God.

But its worse that that because OEC's give men the glory, while Biblical creationists give God all the glory.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Best contributor

Well, why is he preaching Protestatism, then?

Rob Bennett

Hans-Georg Lundahl because it is the word of God.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

No. It's most certainly not.

It contradicts Matthew 28:16—20.

If you consider the "Reformation" as a purification, that means sth was impure prior to that in the Church being "reformed" ...

There are two distinctions to make:

• was it an essential or was it inconsequential?
• was it locally (or otherwise partially) or universally?

1) If it was inconsequential, why bother?
2) If it was essential but local, what one should do was to adapt to places where the impurity hadn't crept in, where essential purity was preserved, why didn't they do that?
3) If it was both essential, and universal, how is that not equal to Jesus not keeping the promise?

Rob Bennett

Hans-Georg Lundahl the reformation is a response to the Satanic Roman Catholic church.

There is no contradiction.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Suppose the Roman Catholic Church WERE Satanic.

Where, before the Reformation was the pure Christian Church?

Why didn't the Reformers adapt to that one?

Rob Bennett

Hans-Georg Lundahl was that before or after the RCC held orgies in the Vatican and sold indulgences?

Hans-Georg Lundahl

That's totally beside the point.

I was for arguments sake granting as a theoretic possibility that the Roman Catholic Church could prior to the Reformation, as you like to call it (I prefer spelling it with a D) have been Satanic. The question was WHERE in the pre-Reformation days was there a Church that was still pure?

Can you answer that simple question without bringing in a local aberration in Rome and a lie about indulgences?

WHERE?

Was it the Eastern Orthodox Church? Was it the Coptic Church? Was it the Armenian Apostolic Church? Was it the Assyrian Katholikos of Ecbatana?

And, once you have answered that, WHY did the Reformers not adapt to that?

Rob Bennett

Hans-Georg Lundahl so now you are defending orgies in the Vatican and the selling of indulgences?

Stop trolling my post.

Hans-Georg Lundahl just an FYI - the reformation brought the church back to Biblical authority after hundreds of years of abuses by the demonic RCC, who held orgies in the Vatican, sold indulgences, and murdered thousands of Christians.

And - this has NOTHING to do with my post.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"after hundreds of years of abuses by the demonic RCC"

Where was the actual Christian Church?

One hundred years are 36 thousand 525 days (back when we only had Julian calendar).

Jesus promised He would not be absent from His Church even ONE day.

If you pretend that the victims of the Inquisition were Christians, the Albigensians and Waldensians were both unknown in AD 1000. The Bogumils and Paulicians who weren't, precisely like the Albigensians, were not Christians, and also did not go back to 500 even if you pretended yourself in denial about this fact. The Bogumils and Paulicians were also mainly persecuted by the Byzantine Empire, not by the Roman Catholic Church.

A man who holds orgies in the Vatican, which happened in two time periods, "pornocracy" ending in the early 11th C. and Renaissance Pope Alexander VI, is risking to himself go to hell. He is not incurring damnation for anyone who holds to him being Pope or who obeys him as Pope. You see, neither Sergius III nor Alexander VI ordered anyone outside his close surroundings, neither of them ordered the Church, to participate in his orgies.

As to "selling indulgences" that's not how it worked. As to killing thousands of Christians, for one, those "Christians" don't seem to belong to one Church, especially not one reaching back to the Apostles, and for another, many of them were clearly rather Gnostic than Christian (all I mentioned except Waldensians), and sometimes behaved in very diabolic ways, telling the "imperfect" (normal people) they could have orgies, but telling the "perfect" that they maybe shouldn't even eat, they should starve rather than risk for instance eating meat. That's a description specifically of Cathars in Southern France, usually known as Albigensians. When the Crusaders came, they met children who had been totally neglected because the progenitors had been told by the sect it was evil to pursue marriage and property in order to uphold it.

Rob Bennett I'm certainly defending INDULGENCES, I already said it was not about "selling" ...

The connection to your post is, you have taken John McArthur, a well known Protestant and a hater of the Catholic Church as a prime example of sticking to God's word.

He's not sticking and you are not sticking to Matthew 28:16—20.