Zuckerberg Changed His Policy?

By 20 minutes 18 seconds in this video, I had heard it:

Singing From the Ruins | FORWARD BOLDLY
Christine Niles | 12.I.2025
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkjWGRkFezI

I decided to test. Well, not to me:

What I tried to share, the first of these three (which link to each other), here:

Newer Tables: Preliminaries · Flood to Joseph in Egypt · Joseph in Egypt to Fall of Troy.

Where a tried to share:

Radiometric Dating
https://www.facebook.com/groups/201189381177748

The group is dedicated to a discussion between Deep Timers and Young Earth Creationists about diverse methods of Radiometric dating, one of which is carbon dating. My intended post was entirely appropriate for the group. No one has stamped my blogs as criminal in any court of law in France, at least none where I was able to answer or that I heard of. Facebook is treating my blogs as criminal, because they do not support the agenda of promoting Big Bang Cosmology, Deep Time Evolution, possibly also parts of what Roger Buck calls "Eastern, Esoteric, Ecumenic, English" which does take issue with Modern Science on lots of issues, but not on these ones./HGL

Pre-Tribulation Rapture is NOT Biblical

GB

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29.XII.2024

HGL

The problem with this is, it presents a pre-tribulation rapture.

Those left behind will have a few hours or minutes before they die and resurrect before a judge. Those raptured will have a few hours or minutes before they hear a trump and see their brethren and enemies walk up from graves, lining up on two sides of Our Lord.

The Bible no-where says that the rapture is pre-tribulation, or, even if* there is a partial one, that all the Church will be raptured before the Tribulation.

This teaching is pretty toxic, since it leads to conclusions like this one:

It can't be the anti-christ or the mark in Revelation. It's okay to take the chip and follow this man because if it were the mark of the beast we'd all have been raptured by now.

Or someone else pretended the strong delusion foreseen in II Thessalonians is post-rapture. Nope.

GB

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HGL and then i read ur comment, u got it all wrong hun

HGL He is going to take us somewhere: John 14:3

how ne1 can deny the rapture is beyond me

[facepalm]

PM

HGL The pre-trib Rapture IS shown in Scripture

The Rapture Generation
https://www.alongemausroad.com/rapture

JD

HGL "no where"? Prove that.

HGL

GB

And if I shall go, and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and will take you to myself; that where I am, you also may be
[John 14:3]

Yes, but it doesn't say this happens before the tribulation.

PM

The absence of the word "Church" from chapter 4 in Apocalypse doesn't prove the Church is actually missing.

The idea that the restrainer is the Church is false. Church is feminine, so, it would be feminine "he katekhousa" but we have masculine "ho katekhon" and indeed a prequel of the final Antichrist started when in Austria and in Russia a heir of the then ho katekhon, of Emperor Claudius, was taken out of the way. The restrainer is the Roman Emperor.

JD, give me all places that talk of the rapture, and I will shown none speak of that being pre-Tribulation.

CM

HGL; It is the Bowls of Wrath that we do not experience. Jesus makes His Harvest from ABOVE the clouds, just before it starts. Rev.14:14-16. Then the Bowls of Wrath are poured upon the earth. The 5th and 6th trumpet events put the false one into power after the 1,260 days Daniel was told about in DAN.12. 30 days later the false one is standing in the holy place claiming to be god. 45 days later BLESSED are they that WAIT and come to the 1,335th day. I figure that is when Jesus makes His Harvest of His crops to the Master's Barn! We will be ONE with Him then and may be assigned to help in our Eternal Bodies during the Bowls of Wrath. This honor have all the saints! Psalm 149:1-9; JOEL 2:1-11

HGL

If you check the previous verse in Apocalype 14, namely verse 13, it says:

And I heard a voice from heaven, saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, who die in the Lord. From henceforth now, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; for their works follow them
[Apocalypse (Revelation) 14:13]

The Church may not experience the bowls of wrath, but neither did Goshen experience the Ten Plagues of Egypt.

Saints who are already in Heaven, having already died, no doubt participate in punishing the persecutors of those of the Church who are still standing on ground level. This will not be much different for when the Antichrist is on scene than it is already.

CM

HGL; What we are seeing now, and all that has happened in the past is NOTHING compared to what the 7 trumpet events will do. The first 4 are not woes, but the 5th, 6th, and 7th are classified as WOES! Like never before. The 5th and 6th I believe may have something to do with fallen angels/UFO's, demons, etc. They put the false one into power claiming he is god returned to save humanity. Blessed are they that wait and do not take the mark [probably 45 days; Dan.12]. Then the 7th and LAST trumpet sounds, which is classified as the greatest of all WOES, God's Bowls of Wrath! These events will be nothing like any of our recorded history. We may at any time now start seeing the trumpets manifest.

HGL

You have not contradicted any of my observations.

* Note

"Third Eagle of the Apocalypse" / William Tapley considers some Protestants of goodwill will be raptured. But they won't be the Church, on his view they would be kind of annexed souls as an outlier to Her, and the Church will continue on Earth to Armageddon. I'm not saying he's right. I'm saying he's not refusing the normal Catholic view on I Cor. 4, he's speaking of Matthew 24:17, housetops or rooftops (he reasons: "if they can't go down, there is only up left", I think "go down" could refer to go down into the house, they are told to wait until the enemy is out of sight, or perhaps take the stairs to the outside and run, at least, definitely, not to go down into the house — it is possible this was already fulfilled with Titus' arrival).

** Note

Not a personal computer, but a personal comment.

Fake Patristics

New blog on the kid: What is Jeremias 31:34 affirming? · HGL's F.B. writings: Fake Patristics

Mikael Rosén

Hans-Georg Lundahl

"Indeed it is better to keep quite about our beliefs, and live them out, than to talk eloquently about what we believe, but fail to live by it." ???

Couldn't find even "talk eloquently" in his letters online. Including the spurious ones.

Also (as much) from St. Ignatius:

"Beware of fake Patristics quotes on the internet" ...

To me, the idea sounds very much like what the KGB would make the Patriarchate of Moscow regurgitate and then blame the Church Fathers for it, like, also, denial of Young Earth Creationism or the idea of taking Genesis as allegorically only.

Above was after an F-search in his epistles.

I double checked. Google searched, found a longer quote about tree and fruit and F-searched "fruit" instead. It actually could well count as a summary or excerpt of this passage in his Epistle to the Ephesians, especially if from a different translation:

Chapter 14. Exhortations to faith and love

None of these things is hid from you, if you perfectly possess that faith and love towards Christ Jesus 1 Timothy 1:14 which are the beginning and the end of life. For the beginning is faith, and the end is love. 1 Timothy 1:5 Now these two, being inseparably connected together, are of God, while all other things which are requisite for a holy life follow after them. No man [truly] making a profession of faith sins; 1 John 3:7 nor does he that possesses love hate any one. The tree is made manifest by its fruit; Matthew 12:33 so those that profess themselves to be Christians shall be recognised by their conduct. For there is not now a demand for mere profession, but that a man be found continuing in the power of faith to the end.

Chapter 15. Exhortation to confess Christ by silence as well as speech

It is better for a man to be silent and be [a Christian], than to talk and not to be one. It is good to teach, if he who speaks also acts. There is then one Teacher, who spoke and it was done; while even those things which He did in silence are worthy of the Father. He who possesses the word of Jesus, is truly able to hear even His very silence, that he may be perfect, and may both act as he speaks, and be recognised by his silence. There is nothing which is hid from God, but our very secrets are near to Him. Let us therefore do all things as those who have Him dwelling in us, that we may be His temples, 1 Corinthians 6:19 and He may be in us as our God, which indeed He is, and will manifest Himself before our faces. Wherefore we justly love Him.

The very next chapters speak of false teachers, defined as people who destroy families, and of false doctrine.

I added a new comment:

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Actually, this is not totally off.

Here is the source:

The Epistle of Ignatius to the Ephesians
https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0104.htm

Carbon 14, Yes, I Believe in a Constant Halflife, Probably 5730 Years

Matthew Hunt

12.XII.2024

Can I get the creationists to concede that the constant half-life isn't as assumption of radioactivity but a prediction? It's not decay rate either, as the decay rate dN/dt is proportional to the amount of parent elements left.

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Roger M Pearlman

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better to break that q down by specific type.

From my perspective it could (likely?) be true with carbon dating but is likely NOT true with some (all?) types of rock dating.

Matthew Hunt

Roger, it's true regardless of the type.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

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Matthew Hunt How do you even measure the halflife of U-Pb or of K-Ar?

For C14, it is easy. Take a historic artefact of organic material (chess piece in ivory, wooden chest or so) that's 1400 years old. Then test 0.5(1400/x) until you find a result that matches the remaining carbon.

Do the same for other ages, like 400 years ago, test those for 0.5(400/x), starting with the value obtained from the first test and so on.

I think, a very good case can be made that we have had a stable c. 100 pmC for the last millennia, and a halflife (all time, not just the last millennia) of 5730 years.

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Roger M Pearlman

Matthew Hunt a steady rate of decay across all types of radio-metric dating is definitely not proven.

It is open to dispute.

if either or, it is going to be (if not already) falsified prior to it being proven science.

start study at Yaacov Hanokah PhD Chemistry (Bor HaTorah journals 2,13, 15 and 17) on this disputed science issue.

Matthew Hunt

Roger, the rate of decay isn't steady, it's exponentially decrease.

Roger M Pearlman

Matthew Hunt assuming a 'steady half-life which is what i meant by steady.

'constant' rather than 'steady' does seem like a better word choice for what we are trying to describe.

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Hans-Georg Lundahl

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For radiocarbon, I actually use the constant halflife in my YEC calibration.

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Roger M Pearlman

It could be just as much a prediction that the half-life is not always constant in radio-metric rock dating.

what would be some variables and ways to test?

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James Young

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The decay rate continually dwindled down it’s not constant no one has ever been around long enough to verify that the halfrates do in fact line up with the predicted numbers.

There are many elements to decay much faster. Yeah, I can’t find any documentation that proves their half lives actually lined up the way they are predicted.

Perhaps Matthew Hunt, can you give us an example of a much faster decay rate that actually works the way it they claim it does.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

James Young I tend to disagree even for K-Ar, I definitely disagree for radiocarbon.

And I'm Young Earth Creationist.

For radiocarbon, carbon dates have more or less coincided with historic dates (up to 200 years deviation) since the Fall of Troy, carbon dated 1179 BC and historically fallen in 1179 BC.

The biggest deviation is from 750 to 450 where all dates come out as 550 BC. So, Rome is founded 753 BC, the oldest city scape is carbon dated to 550 BC, which back then they were not yet aware of this effect, so they believed the traditional account had to be scrapped because of this. Not so.

Matthew Hunt

James, the decay rate is proportional to the amount of parent element left.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

OK, I seem to have confused decay rate and half life.

Wait, is the decay RATE or the decay QUANTITY directly proportional to what's left?

With Alan Clifford on the Video and On My Disappearing Comments

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Rome is Right (Even if Exiled), Alan Clifford is Wrong · HGL'S F.B. WRITINGS: With Alan Clifford on the Video and On My Disappearing Comments

Alan Clifford

Dec. 3 [2024] at 3:14 PM

WHY ROME IS WRONG or NO PLACE LIKE ROME?
https://youtu.be/tBGuK9xVya4

With thanksgiving to Almighty God for the glorious Protestant Reformation of the Sixteenth Century, Dr Clifford makes his case that:
1. The Pope’s religion is not the Christianity of Jesus Christ.
2. The Pope’s church is not the true Church of Jesus Christ.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Sir, I made four comments in refutation of the video.

They are gone, invisible.

If they came to the spam filter, I'd appreciate if you had the courage to make them visible and engage with them.

If they aren't even there, I'll be happy to repost them, if you say so.

A post with your video, my responses, possibly interactions about the latter, is upcoming. Consequently, so are more comments, I'm only at 4 minutes and some into the video.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

It seems the fourth comment was slightly garbled, some thoughts left unwritten by distraction.

It has been completed and reposted under your video, and so has a fifth comment.

I'll continue, but I'd appreciate if the comments were made visible.

Alan Clifford

Thank you. God bless you. I'm puzzled by disappearing comments.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Alan Clifford Even more, I tried reposting the three first ones, and they disappeared again.

You may find them if you look in a spam folder for comments. Ask some younger youtuber what that exactly entails.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Alan Clifford Some that have disappeared were at least saved on my blog:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: Rome is Right (Even if Exiled), Alan Clifford is Wrong
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2024/12/rome-is-right-even-if-exiled-alan.html

Levi J. Pingleton Also Saw the Video by Trent Horn

Levi J. Pingleton

5.XII.2024

Nearly FORTY PERCENT of people believe in a Young Earth Creation. Those Catholic Apologists refusing to engage, discuss, and debate this topic aren't going to be able to keep ducking, dodging, and misrepresenting this beautiful Cosmology and Cosmogeny with straw man arguments and misleading false assertions much longer...

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Philip Eykamp

I would suspect that a large chunk of YEC Christians are outside the bounds of apostolic Christianity and thus are not really worth taking seriously in terms of having sound Christian theology.

As a separate point, YEC could be true *despite* that, and I'm certainly not using this as an argument against YEC, but ~40% of professing Christians probably believe all kinds of things that are provably erroneous, too.

Levi J. Pingleton

Sure, we're a small percentage, but we are GROWING RAPIDLY as our message is nothing but Tradition and Scripture, and is the view of the nearly all the Church Fathers, Doctors, and Medieval Theologians. 1600 years it was uncontested and rigorously defended by the Magisterium. The Literal interpretation of Scripture, including Genesis 1-11, IS the Tradition of the Church.

a)

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Philip Eykamp The old age paradigm comes from two non-Apostolic semi-Christians, so to speak.

James Hutton was already a Deist, but had ancestry, perhaps upbringing, in Calvinism. Charles Lyell was Anglican, of the Broad Church party (you know, more like Alec Vidler than like C. S. Lewis) in a "Church" with no valid Apostolic Succession.

Meanwhile, up to 1896, according to the first Catholic Frameworker, the Catholic publications with ecclesiastic approval that treated the subject fell into three categories.
1) YEC (the position of Johann Emmanuel Veith, a Catholic priest, convert from Judaism, physician and friend of St. Clement Maria Hofbauer, whom St. Pius X canonised in 1909)
2) Day Age (the position of Father Fulcran Vigouroux, Sulpician, and one he was allowed to "legalise" in 1909, as judging in the Pontifical Biblical Commission)
3) Gap Theory.

b)

Philip Eykamp

Levi J. Pingleton Oh, I wasn't arguing that the percentage is small. That's a large enough percentage to be taken seriously. The point is that for every serious student of patristic, apostolic Christianity like you, there is (I would guess) at least one evangelical who may or may not even take seriously the historical Church.

All of that said, someone like Jimmy Akin debating Gideon Lazar on this issue is what needs to happen rather than ignoring this issue, as some people seem almost to believe that the Church has rejected YEC while from what I can tell it is still a seriously regarded theological opinion and one with serious patristic backing.

Levi J. Pingleton

Philip Eykamp that already has happened. Jimmy and Gideon have debated on Evolution and YEC.

Philip Eykamp

Levi J. Pingleton Yeah I know; I meant that more such debates would give an additional hearing to this issue, and Gideon Lazar did a good job in my estimation.

Hans-Georg Lundahl

At least a very decent job, I did some supplementary comments:

Extract of Lazar - Akin : Where is the Authority? · Gideon and Jimmy came to exchange on carbon dating

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David Gabler

Just wonder where this figure came from?

Levi J. Pingleton

I heard it on Trent Horn's new, horribly defficient video on what he will and won't debate, at about 7: 43 minutes in he mentions Young Earth Creation, and uses this statistic...

What I Will (and Won't) Debate
https://youtu.be/hs6z7asjta4?si=rxOxITxLFOLlqv2R

David Gabler Also, had to fix the OP, thats 40 PERCENT OF ALL PEOPLE...

Hans-Georg Lundahl

Levi J. Pingleton I've started to comment on it:

Assorted retorts from yahoo boards and elsewhere: 1st 1/3 of a Trent Horn Policies Video
https://assortedretorts.blogspot.com/2024/12/1st-13-of-trent-horn-policies-video.html

Censorship on FB, Again

Memory, 10 years ago, I shared two links:

Can I share the whole memory? See:

The two links I tried to share were:

Creation vs. Evolution: Natural Selection - Observations on an Issue among Creationists, and on Duty of Disclaimers in Diverse Issues
vendredi 28 novembre 2014 | Publié par Hans Georg Lundahl à 05:17
http://creavsevolu.blogspot.com/2014/11/natural-selection-observations-on-issue.html

Φιλολoγικά/Philologica: Kurukshetra War and Joshua's Long Day
Sunday, November 30, 2014 | Posted by Hans Georg Lundahl at 11:50 AM
https://filolohika.blogspot.com/2014/11/kurukshetra-war-and-joshuas-long-day.html